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This is in regard to Lemmy.world blocking piracy communities from other instances. This post is not about whether you agree with the decision. It's about how the admins informed their users.

A week ago Lemmy.world announced their Discord server. This wasn't very well received (about 25% downvotes, which is rather bad compared to other announcements). The comments on that post were turned off, presumably to avoid backlash.

Before that, announcements about the instance used to be posted to [email protected]. This time, the information was posted on the Discord server instead.

I don't agree with this. Having to use a proprietary platform to participate in an open-source one goes against the very purpose for me, especially when the new solution isn't really an improvement (as before the information about the platform was closer to it).

Edit: Corrected the announcements community name.

Update: Lemmy.world finally released an announcement and promised they would inform about similar actions and gather feedback in advance in future.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I think Discord is great, as long as you account for its shortcomings:

  • It should be treated as ephemeral - up to the point of "the service could completely shut down tomorrow"
  • It should not be treated as fully private or secure

I love how snappy it is (I never have to wait minutes for messages to load, as I do in Matrix), and also how there are a ton of Lemmy users who have Discord open in the background anyway. While I wouldn't ever propose moving something like the main Lemmy communication channels to Discord, I do think it's much easier to have IMs with regular Lemmy users on Discord than it is to do so on Matrix (as in my experience, most regular users do not have a Matrix client installed).

By the way, lemm.ee also has a Discord server. It's only treated as a secondary channel, all announcements are posted in our meta community on Lemmy itself, and just linked to from Discord, but it's still nice to have IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Even assuming my ancient Discord login still works (didn’t they make everyone change their names or something? idk if that affects accounts) it doesn’t look like you can use it on a phone without downloading the app, and I’m not doing that just to check for Lemmy announcements. Discuss controversial decisions there if you have to, but announce them here first.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I left lemmy.world because they were doing nonsense like this. I recommend to others doing the same.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There's admin drama now. Oh boy Lemmy really is busy like reddit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is disappointing because thus far, I have been really happy with the communication and transparency of lemmy.world. But with this change, I will unfortunately not see announcements anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.world announces blocking communities via Discord

I can't even verify if this was posted on their site.

  • Discord is currently up. It's usually up.
  • https://lemmy.world/ is currently down. (Cloudflare - bad gateway.) It's often down.
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for raising the issue.

Most probably, people who made that decision are not aware of the implications and made that choice in good faith, so it's worth giving reasons why you want them to avoid proprietary software, rather than just frowning at them.

To the admins of lemmy.world and anyone who feels confuse about why this is an issue : it is about freedom. You all know how Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc are turning ugly, and you can't do anything about it. With FOSS (Free and Open Source Software), when it turns ugly, you can do something about it. You (or any technical person who agrees with you) can take the code and go your own way with it (we call that "forking"). No decision of the authors can be forced upon you. Similarly, if you think something is not working right, you can fix it yourself, and send the changes to the maintainers of the code, who usually are happy to get some help. So it's also about freedom of fixing your own problems, instead of waiting and praying the authors do something about it.

And this is the whole spirit of the Fediverse : taking matters in our own hands instead of being betrayed once more by a company which decides that their bottom line requires to be user hostile. One day, this will happen to Discord to, it always ends up there. That's why people using Lemmy who are aware of those problems are not happy with seeing lemmy.world use Discord.

Thanks to the admins of lemmy.world for all the work they provide to the Fediverse.

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