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[–] 111 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Library of Alexandria had to be set on fire after publishers’ court win"

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    The good news is, as far as I know, they don't have to actually delete the data.

    So at least these books have still been digitized if something changes and they are allowed to be accessed in the future. Some of them may not exist in physical form at this point, or only as one or two copies in an academic library.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    That is not what has happened here.

    "The library of Alexandria has had to remove some books from public lending due to court order"

    The IA played a very risky game during covid, lost, and now needs to face concequences.

    It could be soo much worse.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It would be useful to have a list of the missing books for reasons.

    I'll see if i can find it.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    But LLM's can copy anything.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    What I'm hearing you say is that the Internet Archive needs to figure out some underhanded way of making themselves ridiculously profitable and then stop being a non-profit. It worked out quite well for OpenAI after all.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As much as this sucks, it could have been so much worse. The Internet Archive stays up. It's important archives of things like industrial and educational films stay up. The Wayback Machine stays up.

    So as disappointing as this is, I do have some relief because I thought it could mean the end.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So much of that stuff is public domain material, at least the older stuff like those films and some of the books

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    Right, but my worry was that if the IA went down, no one would be archiving it that didn't have a commercial interest.

    A large amount of the Prelinger Archives have been uploaded to YouTube. Which is great as a backup, but the IA is a noncommercial entity. I do not want for-profits controlling such archives. I'm glad that's not a worry, at least not for now.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    "To the contrary, the decision barely mentions copyright's ultimate purpose of promoting broad public availability of literature, music, and the other arts," it said.

    It feels like the thoughts of the past came straight out of fiction. Today, nothing seems worth anything if you can't directly make money from it.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Crap I knew there was something I was supposed to do!

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Understandable, but a huge bummer nevertheless

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Take a step back. Is it really understandable? A digital resource, that costs nothing to reproduce, is being artificially restricted.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The economy is based on goods and services being exchanged for money. A book is a good that took time and resources to create. A publisher invested into that good with the intent to make a profit, and having it available online for free without their consent circumvents that.

    I'm not saying it's ethical or that I agree with it, I'm just saying it makes sense.

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  • having it available online for free without their consent circumvents that.

    In this particular case the publishers are trying to double dip

    Controlled Digital Lending is the library practice whereby a library owns a book, digitizes it, and loans either the physical book or the digital copy to one user at a time.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Publishers proceed not to buffalo buffalo buffalo sell half the books taken down anyway and eventually erase their own backups.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    A sad and dark day.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sign the petition! Not sure if it is going to make any difference, but it just takes a couple of minutes. https://www.change.org/p/let-readers-read-an-open-letter-to-the-publishers-in-hachette-v-internet-archive

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    So is there some kind of backup? Something that can be put back online after the apocalypse or something?

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  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I know it's a dumb idea but imagine how fun it would be if there was no copyright

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