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[–] 57 points 3 years ago

I'm doing my part.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I am extremely intrigued by this. Is it possible to know more?

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    When encountering an aggressive shopping cart, remember:

    Shoot off a limb and they're still 86% combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem and put it down for good..

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago

    Don't be a lazybones

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    A mark of a true gentleman is the consideration that they give to others without anyone forcing them to do it.

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  • [+] 28 points 3 years ago (17 children)
  • [+] -20 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    Why? This is a scene from a satirical movie parodying fascism

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  • [+] -15 points 3 years ago* (13 children)

    Not exactly. The government in starship troopers is nationalistic, but not fascist; it's a liberal limited meritocratic democracy, people still have power but only those that earn the power (somewhat like the Roman Republic but that's a whole other story filled with socii and quasi-autonomy).

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  • [–] 43 points 3 years ago* (7 children)

    "Starship Troopers" the book is blatantly fascist, Heinlein became a fascist in his later years.
    "Starship Troopers" the movie IS a parody of fascism, Verhoeven literally based the Starship Trooper's symbols on Nazi iconography.
    "Although some contemporary critics and audiences considered Starship Troopers to be an endorsement of fascism, Verhoeven said, "whenever you see something that you think is fascist, you should know that the filmmakers agree with your opinion."

    Also Sargon is just a fascist puppet.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    The book was a commentary on fascism. Not a celebration of it.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I thought that when I read it too, but I asked my folks and they were big scifi fans at the time, and it's unironic.
    wikipedia also says its unironic, for what its worth:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers#Criticism_of_militarism
    If you read Heinlein's wikipedia page it also checks out:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein#Views

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Ha I also asked my dad about it maybe 10-15 years ago. He's a huge scifi fan and I tore through his library of asimov, Heinlein, silverberg, Anderson, etc as a teen 10 years before that. He remains convinced that it's a satire from a conservative about dangerous conservatism. Which is funny to write as a lefty

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Heinlein also wrote characters who spoke approvingly of their hyperlibertarian society in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

    I think his politics aren't so easy to pin down.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Sure they are.

    Militarist liberal, shaped by his experience in the US Navy during WW2. He's been accused of thinking of the ideal military officer as a modern warrior-poet.

    People who call him an outright fascist are simply wrong, though he meant Starship Troopers seriously. The movie was written and directed as satire, by a director who never finished the very short novel, so don't consider it as a source of Heinlein's views.

    While he puts military service on a pedestal, the most fascistic element of the work is probably his endorsing of "citizenship through service," ie you have to earn your vote through a year or whatever of government service. In the movie it's implied as military only, the book makes it clear you can also do civil service.

    That is probably the most common misunderstanding of the novel, even Wikipedia claims it is military only.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I guess it depends what meaning of "liberal" you go by. In the US he would not be a liberal at all (in the sense of a Hubert Humphrey).

    He was consistent career-long in hating a few things as far as I can tell : prudery, collectivism, and slavery (although he'd say the last two are redundant).

    "Cold warrior libertarian with a frontier fantasy" is I think how I'd try to say it for an American audience.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    lmfao, how do you look at this and think: "liberal limited meritocratic democracy"

    https://www.imdb.com/media/rm3136367104/tt0120201

    they couldn't have come closer to a Nazi SS uniform other than actually putting a red band with a swastika on.

    also as others said, Sargon of Akkad is a fascist cunt.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    The government within the book and movie is within the limits of liberal theory, militaristic, but liberal. It is meritocratic as civilians must earn their citizenship and have a right to choose not to, and it is a limited democracy in the same vein; not all choose to partake.

    The SS uniform is purely from the movie and is purposefully chosen. Sargon of Akkad makes his position pretty clear in the video linked, if you'd bother to watch it; "You love Starship Troopers because you think that when the fascists come, and you are called upon, you will pick up a rifle and do your duty like you know you should... Nowhere in the world at any point in history has man lived lives of such tranquility, abundance, and freedom than under a liberal democracy."

    How you get fascist from those sentiments is beyond me.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago

    If you see two out in the field, drag two back and use one for shopping, saves at least an extra life per turn.

    I'm doing my part.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children)

    A friend of mine worked at Target and he said the best part of the day was collecting carts.

    EDIT: I guess I'm lucky to live where the "cold" in the winter is in the 50s, and the "hot" of the summer is in the high 80s.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Your friend lied or y'all don't live in the south bc I fuckin HAAAAATEEEDD that shit

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  • [+] 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago*

    What my man Edric here says is facts bc doing that in the summer or the winter is balls.

    It's ok ish spring and late fall but between our car delivery people and the cart people two of them got hit by a car within 6 months or so.

    I'd much rather keep my annoying ass spot in electronics than be constantly pinching my fingers on carts and finnicking with the stupid cart wrangler controller in the hot sun or freezing winter

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    The thing is, you still have to have someone collect them even when they're in their proper spot you just don't have parking spaces that could have had a car them filled with a shopping trolley, or trolleys rolling off and hitting parked cars. You also make that trolley guy's day better by not making them have to pull the trolleys from places they aren't supposed to be.

    I used to work at a supermarket and agree that the trolley collection was by far the best job but I still hate those motherfuckers that leave their trolley just anywhere especially in otherwise valid parking spots.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    If less cars are able to park at the shops that's a win. We need to get people out of cars.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Alright but think about that for a minute here. The trolley is in a parking space... Because someone was loading the shopping in to their car and just left the trolley there inconsiderately. So like, they drove their car to the shops and did that. You could maybe add this to the list of measures to encourage alternative means of transport, but it's certainly a funny way to go about it, sort of like just going out and driving so badly that it's impossible for anyone else to be on the roads with you. Bit of a slash and burn approach, certainly morally compromised. Maybe it'd be for the greater good in some infinitesimally small way but I think it'd be hard for people to see it as particularly heroic more than what is more aptly describable as being an asshole.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    Greatly depends on the time of day, and the environment.

    Cool breeze and an off hours so things are quiet and still? Yeah that's not a bad way to spend 15-45 minutes. Middle of the summer when it's 85F (30C) outside or middle of a downpour freezing water? Not so great. And don't even get me started on blizzard conditions or people shoving carts up onto the grass cause the extra 20 steps to the cart corral was just too much.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago

    Based and cart-pilled

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    shopping cart logic also applies to buying fairtrade coffee or chocolate or clothes, no one will force you to be a good person and you gain jackshit from it as a lone operator.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The shopping cart one is better because it's literally just barely more time / effort. Fair trade stuff can be expensive compared to their counterpart. People in rougher financial situations really can't make that choice every time.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    alright then dont buy it, youre acting like coffee and chocolate are necessities. clothes are a pass

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago

    I'd wager there are daily goods that have far more exploitation than most people would be comfortable with.

    But you are right in some cases things aren't necessities and could probably be limited or cut out. That being said, there's a morale / mental component too. For example, you don't need that chocolate birthday cake for your sibling, parent, child, etc., but it is still is considered very important. If it wasn't there, it could be considered a huge blow and/or insulting.

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    Funniest thing I’ve seen lately.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    I've heard a counter to this argument, some comedians also.

    Basically, creates jobs for cart collector and for people to pick up cloths and random stuff left around.

    It.was a funny take, but not sure how true or false it is...

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