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[–] [email protected] 156 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

We have this shit at work, they make it incredibly hard to get a fucking attachment as a real attachment instead of a link to their cloud

Specially annoying since my organization is "geofence" but we work with people all over the world... So MS insists on switching attachments to links nobody can open outside my country

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Blame your company for not configuring that shit, or choosing to let MS handle it all.

Personally, no company should be using Office 365 and external mail. Bring that shit back in house.

~~No~~ Know (wtf autoincorrect?) why bringing it in house costs more? Because it's worth it, for the control.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I speak from experience that no one other than professionals should be handling their own mail servers in 2024. I worked for a mail host. The amount of spam and attacks that befall a mail provider, even a small one, is bonkers. Plus, mail is just too damn important.

I wish it wasn’t the case because the idea of everyone privately hosting their own mail servers would be pretty awesome. Sadly the modern internet makes it way too risky.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

I'm also not sure where they got their idea that cloud is cheaper from. On prem has always been cheaper, I've had to walk through fire and flames to get my company to approve cloud hosting as we simply do not have the capacity to be our own mail host. Goodluck explaining tech debt to upper management though, it's like they're allergic to the idea of understanding it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Huh? Outlook gives you two clear options when attaching a document. One is to attach as a copy, and one is to share it.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's my data, I don't know you!

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

If you save it on your computer instead of on their servers, how could they possibly be expected to analyze your data? Come on now, be reasonable!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah some people are too inconsiderate of shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

That's why they created recent controversy with ai analysing your whole data, another reason to switch to Linux

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

God now its not only word "windows" summoning the linux bros but the words "AI" as well?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's pretty fair considering the implications of Recall

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 weeks ago

But you'll at least let us take a smaller or bigger peek right? Don't worry we have a screen recorder ready, you don't have to do anything.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Had that happen at work. I just drag-and-dropped a file into the Outlook web-UI, thinking it'd attach as an e-mail. Turns out, they recently changed that feature and you now have to drop into the right half of the area. If you drop into the left half, it uploads into OneDrive.

I accidentally did that. The document had personal data inside. That's a breach of GDPR. Fucking ace.

(I'm not sure that attaching to the e-mail isn't also a breach of the GDPR, since my company switched Microsoft 365 for various things. But yeah, I certainly would have liked a confirmation dialog.)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe next year Xbox cloud gaming should team up with Outlook and Onedrive for the "Ultimate" cloud computing conversion feature:

When you drag and drop a file into Outlook, Windows mail, or Exchange, the file bounces around like in the window like in the game Breakout. You can only attach a copy if you hit every word in your email message. If you let the file fall past the signature line, it makes a Onedrive link automatically.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

📎 It seems you want to save your file locally. Too bad...

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I once helped a person with their computer. They complained the they cant save the their photos. Well, their onedrive was filled to brim with crap, while the local 1Tb disk was empty because they had zero idea how storage and folders work. I had to explain her there is literally 1000x more fast disk space available, so please dont save into onedrive.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not really her fault. Microsoft pushes people to use their onedrive and pay for a subscription even when people have no clue what it is or what it does. Microsoft is just insanely anti-consumer.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This and many others are reasons a switch to Linux has been so joyful. No more Windows trying to guilt me, nag me, push me, trick me, abuse me to use shit the way they want. It's so much more....quiet.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont blame her tbh. I have onedrive completely disabled on my personal pc, but on my work laptop Windows defaults everything to onedrive and names the onedrive folders identically to your local ones.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Naming different things identically is a thing Microsoft loves to do. I still keep opening Teams or Teams instead of Teams. And I think there are at least three things on my PC called Copilot, and they haven't even released Copilot yet.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And I also don't want programs to throw all their crap in the documents folder. AppData is made for that.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

And now show hidden files and you see the plethora of applications that dump everything in your homedir instead of .config

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Its even worse when they dont make it a hidden folder (looking at you android studio)

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago

Do ah look lack ah know hwat a Onedrive is?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Adobe pulls that shit too.

And it's really easy to not really think about what you're doing and accidentally save to the cloud.

Then later wonder what the fuck happened to the file you spent three hours on when you came back from lunch.

Fucking Adobe.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Adobe also recently snuck into their ToS that they could use whatever you made with their products for training AI and then gaslit everyone saying "we never said that" and changed their ToS. You know where you can't access my stuff? Offline.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Stage 2:

Documents folder? You want to rule my whole computer, dictate some nonsensical folder structure and then you act like, out of the goodness of your heart, I can have this little set of folders, deep in your weird structure, to store my stuff? And you're even telling me how to sort it? On my own hard drive connected to my own computer?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

And then at some point, games started saving inside documents. Ok, it makes sense to have game save files in a user area instead of a subfolder in the game install area, but they aren't documents. Just make a new game saves folder or something like that, don't just stick all my game save files in the same area, cluttering up my own organization.

Though I did solve it kinda by just making a new documents subfolder in my documents where I put my actual documents.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Luckily I'm old, so I reflexively click the save button every few minutes anyway. Great progress there, Microsoft!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh you want to delete a file from your folder? Ok, we'll also delete it from OneDrive so it's gone forever, see ya!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is there a work around? I feel like every time I figure out how to keep it from uploading and just save locally, it resets the next time I boot up. I've been using word because the transcribe feature is very helpful for navigating uni with my disabilities

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Insert “use Linux” joke. But I’m absolutely serious when I say that using my company’s M365 stuff using the web versions in Firefox on Linux is pretty pleasant.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I grew up in suburban DFW, and King of the Hill is not really an accurate parody...

It's a documentary.

You think I'm kidding, I am not.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Goddang it, Bobby. OneDrive's a bastard drive!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

“Yeah but what if someone wants to store their files in Onedrive?”

“Well, Bobby. We ask them politely but firmly to leave.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Pictures you can hear.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

you can completely disable all the bullshit in windows including recall, copilot, onedrive and many more things with O&O shutup10++ and also DoNotSpy11

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Sir if you will simply fill out this form in triplicate...

And initial here, and here, provide your SSN#, yes and bank account and a credit card number there, and mother's maiden name yes, and provide rights to the soul of your first, second, and third-born child...

Then you are all set! Oh wait, now just watch this advertisement, and this other one here, and this other one here, and also this other one, and we will allow you to save... hey, where are you going?

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