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[–] 176 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

It doesn’t matter the industry you’re in the Schmooze class will be there to make sure you have to bow to them.

It’s always hilarious how excited project managers are about sending their socially awkward developers to conferences like Pokémon off to battle

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  • [–] 89 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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    It's a lot different in academia vs industry for hard sciences. I currently work in industry, we have no options in the things we research but we are funded to the Moon. There is of course some amount of bowing we have to do in order to keep them quiet but that's about it.

    In academia you have to secure your own funding constantly or your project just ends essentially. Academic institutions also look at metrics like impact factor and papers published/time that also effects the availability of funding. I know that people have had to stop pursuing doctorates due to funding issues. Politics in academia is notoriously horrendous.

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    [–] 139 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    That just what being a member of society is, lots of overhead.

    Autistic people often face these challenges even outside of science.

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  • [–] 70 points 2 years ago

    Yup, this is every job. Your skills at performing a task are only a small part of success. The bigger part is being able to make friends with the right people.

    Edison and Tesla come to mind. Edison wasn't the best when it came to electrical engineering but he was good at talking. Tesla was brilliant and is the father of modern electrical engineering but his best friend was a pigeon. During their lifetimes, Edison was much more successful than Tesla was.

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    [–] 97 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "How do we stop the world's smartest people from realising what we're doing?"

    "Let's make them fight among themselves and call it a meritocracy; we'll limit their funding and let them keep themselves busy with political infighting!"

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    [–] 95 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    This is why good teams are essential. One person to do all the bullshitting, and the rest of the team to actually get stuff done while the bullshitter deflects all the other bullshitters.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    "Bullshitting" is an essential skill, not a distraction. The greatest idea in the world is meaningless if nobody knows about it.

    Marketing, scmoozing, etc gets a bad rep. But no matter how good your output, product, research, etc is, it has very little value or impact if people don't get on board.

    If you can't play the game, team up with someone who can. And don't forget that while that schmoozer may not have your technical skills, they have a skillset you do not.

    It wasn't Woz or Jobs. It was both.

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    [–] 66 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    This "have to play political games to get ahead" bullshit seems to apply almost everywhere.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Not an academic, but this is spot on for how I’ve felt as a top performer getting nowhere. This realization helped me reorient my aspirations to what I find truly matters to me: my family and hobbies. I’m a solid individual contributor. Over the years, my work has saved us millions and been adopted across the country, which is reward enough. The speaking engagements and schmoozing, I’ll leave that to the extroverts in the boys club.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    Same. It physically hurts to see talentless suck-ups play the bullshit game and climb the hierarchy, whereas you get punished and kept down for pointing out the bullshit. My best decision ever was to escape the hell that is the field of software development, and instead get into teaching. Now my reward for a job well done is seeing my students succeed and I love it so much.

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago

    The fact that this is considered brutally honest is part of the problem. I think it's just regular honesty. Academia's standards for honesty are too low.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Read some Foucault for an explanation, that's just being human. You don't stop being human just because you follow scientific ideals. All human endeavors will follow human dynamics.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago

    Meritocracy? In my academics?

    No thank you!

    I'm all about the bureaucratic fiefdoms and intrapersonal drama politicking!

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

    This is the fucking world. Like it or not it's about putting yourself out there and networking. Doesn't matter how bright you are. I wish it wasn't but it is.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    To put it bluntly, science costs money, and persuading people who control money to spend that money is itself a skill.

    Or, zooming out, science requires resources: physical commodities, equipment, the skilled labor of entire teams. The most effective way to marshal those resources is with money, and management/sales skills are necessary to get those resources working together in concert.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    This world is very difficult for people like me who are a little on the spectrum, since moving and shaking is what gets you places

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Isn't it great when the social institutions regulating people who want to do science promote people with the skills of salesmen over people with the skills for doing science.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yet another flawed system run by humans. Humans always ruining nice things.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Sorry, unless you start your own sovereign country, you have to participate in society. Not everyone likes promoting themselves, disagreeing diplomatically, etc. Still, we play the game, even though I wish we didn't all have to...

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Yes but didn't we all know that at some point before choosing that career? How do you get roughly 22 years into it - a PhD - and not know that academia is essentially a political rodeo and your research is going to be affected heavily by it? Didn't anyone whisper it to you confidentially in the back of some elective?

    It most definitely shouldn't be, it's clearly poisonous to the idea of science, but it wasn't like a secret either. Like, it's "not ok" that that's the case, it's not something we should wave away as "just human things" - it should be addressed, it should be fixed. But it wasn't unknown.

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    Isn't this true for all jobs? Specially corporate jobs? It's still horrible, but that's capitalism for you.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    why underline the whole thing

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    I'm arguably good at a lot of those things but didn't want to persue a PhD because you can see the writing on the wall when you're deep enough into academia. There's a system in place and boy it can get dark and shitty in a hurry.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    I wanna do a PhD so bad I even started publishing during my undergrad But the publishing fees is too much just too much 100$ in a third world nation is a lot even after that the research is kept under a paywall, so disgusting

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