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How do you set up a server? Do you do any automation or do you just open up an SSH session and YOLO? Any containers? Is docker-compose enough for you or are you one of those unicorns who had no issues whatsoever with rootless Podman? Do you use any premade scripts or do you hand craft it all? What distro are you building on top of?

I'm currently in process of "building" my own server and I'm kinda wondering how "far" most people are going, where do y'all take any shortcuts, and what do you spend effort getting just right.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Cloud vps with debian. Then fix/update whatever weird or outdated image my vps provider gave me (over ssh). Then setup ssh certs instead of password. I use tmux a lot. Sometimes I have local scripts with scp to move some files around.

Usually I'm just hosting mosquitto, maybe apache2 webserver and WordPress or Flask. The latter two are only for development and get moved to other servers when done.

I don't usually use containers.

I'm better at hardware development than all this newfangled web stuff, so mostly just give me a command line without abstractions and I'm happy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Kubernetes.

I deploy all of my container/Kubernetes definitions from Github:

https://github.com/JustinLex/jlh-h5b/tree/main/applications

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've recently switched my entire self hosted infrastructure to NixOS, but only after a few years of evaluation, because it's quite a paradigm shift but well worth it imho.

Before that I used to stick to a solid base of Debian with some docker containers. There are still a few of those remaining that I have yet to migrate to my NixOS infra (namely mosquitto, gotify, nodered and portainer for managing them).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Web servers: unikernel (nanos) + fastly to backblaze Mail servers: tailscale (for admin ssh), fail2ban, letsencrypt nginx, docker compose, mailu, heavy use of vps firewall Raspberry pi "servers": k3s, managed with lens desktop pro, but honestly learning kubernetes isn't exactly enjoyable and feels painful compared to a shell script that launches dead simple API deployments

I used to do a lot of Ansible to manage a lot of servers but most of the time the thing I need to fix is manual, and a setup.md in my personal notes is all I need for "how do I make a new minio backup host" or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I usually set up SSH keys and disable password login.

Then I git-pull my base docker-compose stack that sets up:

  • Nginx proxy manager
  • Portainer
  • Frontend and backend networks

I have a handful of other docker-compose files that hook into that setup to make it easy to quickly deploy various services wherever in a modular way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd like to use rootless podman, but since I include zerotier in my containers, they need access to the tunnel device and net_admin, so rootless isn't an option right now.

Podman-compose works for me. I'd like to learn how to use Ansible and Kubernetes, but right now, it's just my Lemmy VPS and my Raspberry Pi 4, so I don't have much need for automation at the moment. Maybe some day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Super interesting to me that you switch between Debian and Ubuntu. Is there any rhyme or reason to when you use one over the other?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can add net_admin to the user running podman, I have added it to the ambient capability mask before, which acts like an inherited override for everything the user runs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Probably the odd one here with Arch Linux + docker compose with still a lot of manual labor
updating it after maximum 4 weeks is enough, container more often

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have a base Debian template with a few tweaks I like for all my machines. Debating setting up something like terraform but I just don't spin up VMs frequently enough to wan tto do that. I do have a few Ansible playbooks I run on a fresh server to really get it to where I want though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have a stupid overcomplicated networking script that never works. So every time i set up a new server I need to fix a myriad of weird issues I've never seen before. Usually I setup a server with a keyboard and mouse because SSH needs networking, if it's a cloud machine its the QEMU console or hundreds of reboots.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use SSH to manage docker compose. I'm just using a raspberry pi right now so I don't have room for much more than Syncthing and Dokuwiki.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't underestimate a pi! If you have a 3 or up, it can easily handle a few more things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I forgot to mention I also have a samba share running on it and it's sooooooo sloooooow. I might need to reflash the thing just to cover my bases but it's unusable for large or many files.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

NixOS instances running Nomad/Vault/Consul. Each service behind Traefik with LE certs. Containers can mount NFS shares from a separate NAS which optionally gets backed up to cloud blob storage.

I use SSH and some CLI commands for deployment but only because that’s faster than CICD. I’m only running ~’nomad run …’ for the most part

The goal was to be resilient to single node failures and align with a stack I might use for production ops work. It’s also nice to be able to remove/add nodes fairly easily without worrying about breaking any home automation or hosting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

For years over done an Ubuntu LTS base with docker, but I've just recently started using debian base. Moved to debian for my workstation as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A series of VPSes running AlmaLinux, I have a relatively big Ansible playbook to setup everything after the server goes online. The idea is that I can at any time scrape the server off, install an OS, put in all the persistent data (Docker volumes and /srv partition with all the heavy data), and run a playbok.

Docker Compose for services, last time I checked Podman, podman-compose didn't work properly, and learning a new orchestration tool would take an unjustifiable amount of time.

I try to avoid shell scripts as much as possible because they are hard to write in such a way so that they handle all possible scenarios, they are difficult to debug, and they can make a mess when not done properly. Premade scripts are usually the big offenders here, and they are I nice way to leave you without a single clue how the stuff they set up works.

I don't have a selfhosting addiction.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I run Debian + Docker, and use Portainer to manage the docker stacks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a bunch of different stuff, a dedicated server with Debian, 4 raspberry Pis + 1 micro computer that acts as a LB/Router/DHCP/DNS for the Pis.

In general I would say that my logic is as follows:

  • Every OS change is done through Ansible. This sometimes is a pain, you want to just apt install X and instead you might need to create a new playbook for it, but in the long term, it paid off multiple times. I do have some default playbook that does basic config (user, SSH key provisioning, some default packages) and hardening (SSH config, iptables).
  • I then try to keep the OS logic to a minimum, and do everything else as code. On my older dedicated server I run mostly docker-compose with Systemd + templated docker-compose files dropped by Ansible. The Pis instead run Kubernetes, with flux and all my applications are either directly managed via Flux or they have Helm in between. This means I can destroy a cluster, create another way, point it to my flux repository and I am pretty much back where I started.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds cool. ansible could never convince me, though, because playbook writing is so annoying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I am there with you on that. I got used in my previous job, where everything was done with Ansible, but I still find myself copy pasting and changing most of the times. I actually like way more a declarative approach a-la-terraform.

Overall though there is a lot of community material, and once the playbooks are written it's quite good!

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