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[+] 137 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (22 children)
  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    Only thing I heard about zoom is their back to office?

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  • [–] 67 points 3 years ago* (17 children)

    They changed their TOS to allow themselves to license everyone’s videos for A.I. training (or anything else). One of the execs tried to say they weren’t doing that but unless they change their TOS, they can and no doubt will.

    For some people, that’s a personal privacy issue but for people who have Zoom calls about, for instance, health records, it makes Zoom illegal. And even if it’s not illegal, companies use video calls for discussing proprietary information they don’t want to be potentially licensed to competitors.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Wow, wtf...it seems like every big tech company is going through "enshittification". Is there an open-source alternative for Zoom that is hopefully more privacy-focused?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Apparently they did:

    As of Monday afternoon, [section 10.4] has a new paragraph in bold below it: "Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.”

    How exactly they obtain customer "consent" isn't disclosed.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I’m not so worried about Zoom adding fancy autocomplete (“training our models”) as I am with them licensing it out. This is what section 10.4 says before the caveat:

    You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works, and process Customer Content and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content, including AI and ML training and testing.

    I don’t think that extra caveat even addresses licensing meeting content to third parties for training A.I.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Does software exists that encrypts video and audio data on one end, and requires a key to decrypt on the other end? Anyone looking at the feed without keys would be seeing garbage.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Zoom already does 256bit AES end-to-end encryption. From what I understand it isn't the live calls but the files and recorded calls you save on their servers after are what they would use for AI training.

    Zoom already updated their TOS a few hours ago to supposedly address the issue. https://gizmodo.com/zoom-ai-privacy-policy-train-on-your-data-1850712655

    Update, August 7, 5:06 p.m.: After this story was published, Zoom issued an update to its Terms of Service. The article has been updated to reflect the change.

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    [–] 86 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Hot take

    The internet was already ruined. It’s no longer the same place it was in 2016 or 2010 or 2000. It’s become a corporate hellhole where you can’t get away from tracking, monitoring and other shady practices no matter what you do. Almost nothing is free and open and everything is designed to milk as much money out of the product.

    AI is just accelerating this. Makes me think of the “old net” in Cyberpunk2077. Infested with rouge AI that have turned it into a battleground.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Lukewarm counter-take: That non-commercial internet is still out there.

    As long as there's nerds, there's going to be nerds building stuff for the fun of it. Building your Lemmys, your Fediverses, your Geminis etc..

    There is definitely more legislation now, dissuading some percentage of nerds, but we also have a lot more nerds...

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    Even places like lemmy or mastodon aren't safe anymore. Everything that is public can be, and is, data mined by some corporation. There will be bot accounts or paid people pushing their agenda. And several other things.

    It's not a technical problem. We can have places that are better than the average, but the corporations will still put their tentacles in.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It would be the ultimate irony if this article was, itself, generated by AI. Based on the article's "voice", I doubt it is, but in this brave new world...one must always wonder.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    TL;DR; - The internet is getting shittier at ludicrous speed, thanks to AI bots. Expect the next generation of AI to be even worse, as it's likely to be fed the shit the current AI is dropping everywhere.

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The internet is a place where people can connect from across the world, bringing them closer together and allowing the free exchange of information. It's unfortunate that it is being more and more locked down and controlled by business and government interests looking to isolate, control, and monetize people. AI isn't the only tool being used to ruin the internet, but it's damn effective.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago

    It's not "ai"...it's just a few billionaire assholes.

    & it's not just the internet. It's the entire "reality".

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    capitalism and the rich** ftfy just like they're destroying the earth and space

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    [–] 16 points 3 years ago

    What's interesting is this is also kind of a circle of tech moment too. At least for me, search has been sort of killed (or google search anyway), but it's just back to the Internet of 1997 again, where we have "sort of useful" "search engines", some walled gardens like AOL was, and maybe webrings or the original sort of Yahoo! curated link / subject sites / lists.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Oh no who could've possibly seen this coming? Literally everyone, it turns out.

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    [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Just as bad, if not worse, than the blockchain craze that came before it.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    This is worse. Blockchains didn't do anything except extract money from suckers, which is bad but has a very limited impact. There were no valid applications, nothing they could do cheaper or better, so they just existed in their own separate world of scammers and grifters. AI is appropriating people's work to shit up the internet we all use with nonsense and will continue to be used because it has valid applications: creating bad art or vapid text without having to pay anyone.

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  • [+] 10 points 3 years ago
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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago*

    I feel like with "cheap" AI we're entering a dark age of tech.

    Eventually everything will, the tools and the tech will get more mature and sort itself out but for a couple of months/years we will be confronted with bad AI news , bad AI games, bad AI art, etc

    I'm pretty confident a day will come were AI will be seen as a tool and that pure AI generated content will be seen the equivalent of a bad JavaScript game or a cheap knock clone.

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  • [+] 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    So are all the humans.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Google made the recipy for the shitty internet cake and put it in the oven. AI is the icing.

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