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I've been seeing a worrying number of these people on Lemmy lately, sharing enlightened takes including but not limited to "voting for Biden is tantamount to fascism" and "the concept of an assigned gender, or even an assigned name, at birth is transphobic" and none of them seem to be interested in reading more than the first sentence of any of my comments before writing a reply.

More often than not they reply with a concern I addressed in the comment they're replying to, without any explanation of why my argument was invalid. Some of them cannot even state their own position, instead simply repeatedly calling mine oppressive in some way.

It occurred to me just now that these interactions reminded me of nothing so much as an evangelical Christian I got into an argument with on Matrix a while ago, in which I met him 95% of the way, conceded that God might well be real and that being trans was sinful and tried to convince him not to tell that to every trans person he passed, and failed. I am 100% convinced he was trolling -- in retrospect I'm pretty sure I could've built a municipal transport system by letting people ride on top of his goalposts (that's what I get for picking a fight with a Christian at 2AM) -- and the only reason I'm not convinced these leftists on Lemmy are trolls is the sheer fucking number of them.

I made this post and what felt like half the responses fell into this category. Am I going insane?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

How can one tell the difference between someone who truly believes that and a redcap cosplaying as a "leftist" to wedge drive?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (44 children)

Marxism and Christianity only share the fact that they contain frameworks for analyzing material reality(Marxism through Materialism and Christianity through representing reality as though it is divine, and thus explainable via the divine), and this post seems to not be willing to honestly engage with Marxism as a concept.

  1. Marxists do not oppose incremental change. Marxists believe that minor concessions under Capitalism are insufficient to actually fix the underlying problems, and this point of view is built on a thorough understanding of the Marxist critique of Capitalism.

  2. Marxists do not oppose reform, they just believe it is impossible to do successfully without sliding backward, because the state is built in a manner that supports Capitalism and resists change.

  3. Marxism is an economic critique of Capitalism, a philosophical framework, and a call to action. It is a complete set of tools to look at the world, analyze it, and how to fix it. In this manner, it can be superficially compared to Christianity, but only on the surface.

That's really it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah there are some funny people out there and I would never have moved over to the left if not for more reasonable people that talk normal and actually engage with ideas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Evangelicals come with serial numbers now?

I mean, how long do you expect people to participate in a game where there is no way to change the outcome for the better? People can act stupid, but that doesn't mean they are stupid - more and more people are starting to see how this spectacle that the political racketeers and their media cronies insist on calling "Democracy!" really works. If you expect people to just bounce back from such realizations and simply "vote strategically" you're in for disappointment.

I'm not USian... but if I was, would I go vote with you? Sure. But that's only because I've had a long time to digest the fact that my vote means absolutely nothing (so-called "representative democracy" is a racket everywhere - not just the US), and would only do it out of solidarity with all the people who are terrified of what is coming next.

I've seen the ways that people have tried to get out the vote for this year's election in the US.. and I'm afraid to report that, so far, it's not working - and that's not your fault..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The right wing has spent generations embedding themselves into corridors of power, from the local school board up to and including the supreme court.

A huge number of the left wing typically don't even vote. So then when the left do get energized but it's not enough to stem the tide or accomplish too much, because they didn't invest in the long game... then they start this hyper-ideological, cultural revolution style thinking. It's exhausting.

Folks, your opponents put in the effort while you just showed up for the test.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I don't completely agree with your point but I feel it somehow. The question would be : what would be the opposite of this ? As you surely know, compromise, while crucial, also has its dangers.

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