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[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 months ago (19 children)

Why I just hand my browsing data over to my ISP (and so should you)

Why I let random websites have my unique location-specific identifier (and so should you)

Don't think so

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do ISP's monitor or sell or pass on your data? Yes.

Do VPN's? Depends on the VPN. Find one that doesn't and can back that up with 3rd party audits and legal encounters.

So can a good VPN protect your privacy? No, not by themselves. A VPN is part of an overall toolkit to be as private as you personally would like to be. It can help protect your privacy, that's all.

It's really that simple.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

3rd party audits and legal encounters

The problem I have with this is that audits or court cases do not prove that the server is only using that same exact code at the instant you are using it... changes to software are constantly made all the time, and they could all invalidate previous audits or presumptions of privacy or security.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Clickbait YouTuber is clickbait...

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/vpn-overview/

Should I use a VPN?

Yes, almost certainly. A VPN has many advantages, including:

  1. Hiding your traffic from only your Internet Service Provider.
  1. Hiding your downloads (such as torrents) from your ISP and anti-piracy organizations.
  1. Hiding your IP from third-party websites and services, helping you blend in and preventing IP based tracking.
  1. Allowing you to bypass geo-restrictions on certain content.

VPNs can provide some of the same benefits Tor provides, such as hiding your IP from the websites you visit and geographically shifting your network traffic, and good VPN providers will not cooperate with e.g. legal authorities from oppressive regimes, especially if you choose a VPN provider outside your own jurisdiction.

VPNs cannot encrypt data outside the connection between your device and the VPN server. VPN providers can also see and modify your traffic the same way your ISP could, so there is still a level of trust you are placing in them. And there is no way to verify a VPN provider's "no logging" policies in any way.

On a personal note, the common argument is VPN providers could be recording your traffic. But if you know for certain your ISP is recording your traffic and selling your data, which is most commercial ISPs in the West, then a VPN provider is a strict improvement. They may not be, but they're not guaranteed to be. And your ISP is guaranteed to be.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A) as others have pointed out this is a rather shit video

B) I fucking hate the "and nor should you" trend. Fuck off with what I should or shouldn't do, just give me the facts and I'll decide for myself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I don't like the way it sounds, but I appreciate the honesty. Videos like this are always prescriptive, even if they present themselves as if they are a personal, "just for my needs" thing.

By the way, do you remember a video and Medium article posted by someone who was trying to convince us that big companies like Google aren't really privacy invasive?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would encourage people to watch the video and form a conclusion based on that. The title is quite clickbaity (which you would expect from YouTube) and at least half of the video is solely a critique of NordVPN, often followed up with "but Mullvad is better". He does make some worthwhile points but they are not universally applicable. Every country has different governments and laws; do not blindly trust the word of Americans because they likely do not know shit about your specific situation. For example, nothing in his video addressed Australia's mandatory data collection and retention laws, or the multiple high profile data breaches that have occurred here in recent years.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

half of the video is solely a critique of NordVPN

I don't know how good or bad NordVPN is. I have never used it. But I never will. EVER.

You know why?

Because they paid so many interesting Youtubers to shill their stupid VPN service, ruined so many otherwise interesting Youtube videos and wasted so much of my time that I swore I would never give them a single dollar of my money.

I can't stand advertisement and advertisers, and NordVPN has been truly heavy-handed. They're not the only ones: Brilliant comes to mind too. They can all fuck off. They've achieved the exact opposite of what their ads was supposed to achieve with me: I'll never patronize them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

uBlock Origin + SponsorBlock + third party mobile client is the solution.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Actually I use Freetube with sponsorblock on the desktop and Newpipe with sponsorblock on Android. So I mostly don't see shitty sponsors anymore.

But my Formuler TV box - which runs Android - has some weird crashing problem with the default Newpipe player, so I have to use an external player (MX Player) which doesn't have sponsorblock, sadly.

So whenever I want to watch Youtube videos on my TV, I have to eat some NordVPN shilling - at least a little bit, just time for me to grab the remote and skip it - and I'm too cheap to replace the TV box.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You could try Smart Tube which has built in adblock and sponsorblock and see if that works better on your android tv box

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

SmartTube works very well. The problem is, it requires a Youtube account to have subscriptions, playlists and the like. That's a hard no for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Fair enough, completely understandable

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Shout out for Smart Tube, the best YT app on smart boxes/android TVs, never had any issues

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (10 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

many ISPs over here offer a ~5-10% discount on monthly bills if you agree to have your traffic analysed for marketing purposes. the last time I signed a contract I had to explicitly opt out of that. the ISP providing internet to all of my landlord's flats offers a similar deal when signing a contract, and 1. I'm willing to bet that my landlord has opted in, and 2. I have no way of opting out of that for my flat. I think I'll stick with a VPN for the foreseeable future.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

(The NSA think they're slick)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

, said the glowing figure confidently, while blinking hard and rubbing his nose

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Nice try NSA

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Firstly, using a VPN ultimately consists in trusting the company providing the VPN service that it won't be fucking around with your privacy. Considering that all your traffic goes through it, that's a lot of trust to place in one company. And I generally don't trust any tech company to resist the lure of selling your data for profit for very long in 2024 - even those that profess to be privacy-friendly.

Secondly, modern corporate surveillance doesn't rely on IP addresses anymore. So if you think a VPN protects your privacy, it really doesn't. All it does is tell Google et al. which VPN provider you're a customer of - i.e. you're giving them even more data that they don't need to have.

That's why I don't even bother with a VPN. I only use one to evade geo-blocking every once in a while.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

using a VPN ultimately consists in trusting the company providing the VPN service that it won't be fucking around with your privacy. Considering that all your traffic goes through it, that's a lot of trust to place in one company.

Is that any different than the trust we place in our ISPs?

I agree with you. I fully expect my ISP/VPN provider to sell my traffic data, but I don't see the value in paying a VPN do to it.

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