top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 171 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

Ukraine United States is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid

The fact that everyone understands that the war in Ukraine is based on American backing means that it's a proxy war between the US and Russia.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 112 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    $773 billion dollars last year spent on fighting "proxy" wars around the world (and if you count the spying, domestically).

    The only one that America has actual moral footing to get behind is the only one we are pulling punches on.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • load more comments (2 replies)
    [–] 122 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Yes, no shit. That was the outlook from day 1.

    The Russian Army is largely represented as a bunch of baffoons in the Western media, but it's still one of the 3 largest armies in the world. Ukraine cannot hold their lines indefinitely, the only way to "win" against an opponent that has multiple times your materiel available is guerilla.

  • source
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • load more comments (11 replies)
    [–] 115 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

  • source
  • hideshow 17 child comments
  • [–] 99 points 2 years ago (1 child)
  • load more comments (15 replies)
    [–] 80 points 2 years ago (10 children)
    load more comments (10 replies)
    [–] 77 points 2 years ago (51 children)

    The free world loses when Russia wins.

    It's pretty much an invitation to China to do the same in Taiwan and an invitation for Russia to start more wars in eastern Europe.....

    Helping Ukraine costs money. Not helping Ukraine costs even more.

  • source
  • hideshow 52 child comments
  • load more comments (50 replies)
    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (27 children)

    People in this thread clearly don't understand what the implications are. There is a very clear danger of war on the European continent that will involve NATO and by proxy the US. Aid for Ukraine is the absolute cheapest option. Europe is not going to just let Ukraine fall and will ramp up their involvement. We already have France willing to send troops.

  • source
  • hideshow 29 child comments
  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    You don't understand that the only danger of further war is again from US/NATO. Europe is going to let Ukraine fall because it has no choice. France is a laughing stock. Even what they threatened to send could do nothing.

    In the case of shells, the problem isn’t money, it’s lack of production capacity. Even the mighty USA, owner of the largest military-industrial complex in the world, can only produce 28,000 rounds of 155mm per month – less than 10pc of what Ukraine needs – and this with its factories on 24-hour operation.

    Comment from the Torygrapgh readership:

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • load more comments (8 replies)
  • load more comments (25 replies)
    [–] 75 points 2 years ago

    "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

  • source
  • [–] 72 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Biden frantically sends more aid to israel

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • load more comments (7 replies)
    [–] 56 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Without the support of Congress, it will be "difficult" for Ukraine to win, "even to stay," Zelenskyy said in a video meeting with fundraising supporters, including Mark Hamill and billionaire Richard Branson.

    Nightmare blunt rotation

    Anyway, wow! You mean every time Russia was said to be slowing down or taking unsustainable levels of casualties wasn't entirely true? Wow! surprised-pika

  • source
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I think the weakness of Ukraine is also narrative.

    Whatever narrative they push, it’s completely unrelated to the truth.

    When they wanted western sympathy and when the western funds were rolling, it was the plucky tractor brigade killing Russians at $1.40 a kill.

    Now that they aren’t getting another aid package, the front lines are about to collapse and Russia will be in Warsaw by summer.

    It’s all bullshit. As in it’s unrelated to the truth. The truth has no relationship to what Zelenskyy says.

    The fact Ukraine is starting to push an imminent collapse narrative is a key factor in me believing collapse is not in fact imminent.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • load more comments (10 replies)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    NATO is seeking to take control of decision-making powers on future aid packages — normally led by the US — in an effort to limit the impact of a potential second Donald Trump presidency on the ongoing conflict.

    This is wild. It's bad enough that the US president has the power to start wars wherever he wants with no congressional approval. But now they're trying to make it so that the only people with the authority to withdraw from a conflict are unelected NATO officials accountable to no one.

    Dronies will support this, because they love endless war across the globe and want to remove any potential for popular support to achieve peace.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 55 points 2 years ago*

    Definately NOT proxy cannon fodder

  • source
  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago

    "Lol", said the red white and blue scorpion. "Lmao".

  • source
  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago

    I was wondering how the media was going to explain the collapse in Ukraine when it finally becomes impossible to hide it, and now we know. The whole thing is going to be blamed on republicans holding up money in congress, as if pouring another 61 billion after all the untold billions that were already poured into this was going to make any difference. The fact that people genuinely believe this is frankly depressing. It shows just how utterly credulous and mentally deficient western public is.

  • source
  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    nice job america, now in addition to everything else, you've lost a war you weren't even fighting in. Fuck yeah!

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • load more comments (4 replies)
    [–] 29 points 2 years ago
    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Lose away bozo, you got played

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
    [+] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)
  • load more comments (15 replies)
    [–] 25 points 2 years ago
    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    Ukraine is already losing and unless something crazy happens they will lose.

  • source
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›