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Zelenskyy straight-up said Ukraine is going to lose if Congress doesn't send more aid (www.businessinsider.com)
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[–] 115 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

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  • [–] 99 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Many such cases!

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  • [–] 109 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Gaddafi's is just sad. Such a terrible decision to give up their nuclear deterrence and trust western governments.

    Nukes are why the DPRK hasn't been invaded again, and why it hasn't ended up Libya is now.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ukraine gave up their nukes in exchange for peace with Russia, then got invaded by Russia.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    they weren't ukrainian nukes. they were soviet nukes and ukraine didn't have the money or expertise to take care of them.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn’t put it that way exactly. Ukraine was a constituent part of the USSR, and eastern Ukraine was a major industrial hub. I don’t know the history of it, but perhaps giving the nukes to Russia was part of the deal made in the Post-Soviet transition in Ukraine.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ukraine was very much at peace with Russia as it always had been before the 2014 coup and the resulting fascist gov that didn't care about such agreements.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The fascist government is the one invading Ukraine, my guy.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    there are fascists in Ukraine, like in a lot of countries

    Most countries don't have a fascist government that violently suppresses the left. Israel and Ukraine are about the only ones (and maybe Modi's India to an extent?) right now.

    It's not about a "right" to invade. The point is this was the only option left with a coup gov that doesn't care about prior peace agreements, kills people for resisting (like Eastern Ukrainians in DPR & LPR and Crimeans), and is being blocked by the US and UK from negotiating.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago* (3 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Eastern Ukrainians “resisting” are Russian soldiers

    Lol can you even read the comments you're replying to?

    This is fucking "everyone is Hamas" tier shit

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Russia has no right to carry out a genocide—any more than Ukraine had the right to carry one out on people of the Donbas for almost a decade—but then again Russia isn’t carrying out one, despite what Five Eyes governments & corporate media insist.

    I will concede that there are a few fascist elements in Russia, but they aren’t in power, and one of their most well-known figures (to Westerners at least) recently died.

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    Neither Navanly nor the Azov Battalion are aberrations: the US has been maintaining fascist cells in Europe our whole lives, as a backstop against Europe ever gaining a real independence from the US, or worse, becoming socialist.

    The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

    Edit to add:

    In particular, the US doesn’t want Europe and Russia to develop closer ties, because it doesn’t want the “Eurasian landmass” to ever cohere, because it would become too self-sufficient and powerful for the US to control. Zbigniew Brzezinski laid this theory out when the Soviet Union fell. That’s why the US tried to convince Europe not to build Nord Stream 2 and then later not to turn it on, why Biden said he would “bring an end to it” if Russia invaded, and why they ultimately did bring an end to it.

    The US also very much wants regime change or balkanization in Russia so it can resume its neocolonial plundering of it, which started under Yeltson and ended under Putin.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Holy cow,

    In the 1990s he formulated the strategic case for buttressing the independent statehood of Ukraine, partially as a means to prevent a resurgence of the Russian Empire,[citation needed] and to drive Russia toward integration with the West, promoting instead "geopolitical pluralism" in the space of the former Soviet Union. He developed "a plan for Europe" urging the expansion of NATO, making the case for the expansion of NATO to the Baltic countries.

    Any ideas where I can find out more about Brzenzinski’s plans after the fall of the Soviet Union?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why are you citing Navalny (granted, fascist) and not Dugin, Rogozin and Prokhanov who are actually close to the current government?

    And let's not forget about Putin's obsession with Ilyin, who, and I don't want to put words incorrectly here, is a literal fascist, like a canonical one.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I don’t know why people keep bring up Dugin:

    His right-hand man is Aleksandr Dugin

    Bullshit. Dugin is a Western chauvinist fascist who is ideologically aligned with the Ukrainian coup government and the Ukrainian Nazis who terrorized the Donbas for almost a decade before Russia intervened two years ago. In what universe is he Putin’s “right-hand man”?

    The US would absolutely love to have a regime change that put Dugin in power, because he would invite the American shock therapists back in to finish the plundering that they started in the ’90s under Yeltsin, and that Putin put an end to.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    terrorized the Donbas for almost a decade before Russia intervened two years ago

    You mean the Donbas where Ukraine was fighting Russia after they annexed Crimea?

    How can you terroriza your own country that was invaded?

    Are you completely ignoring the fact Russia annexed Crimea just so you can carry water for Putin? What is your agenda?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    My agenda is (1) to save the lives & livelihoods of working class people and (2) anti-imperialism. My agenda is not to carry water for Ukraine’s neoliberal government, which has allowed Global North capitalists to neocolonize it to the detriment of its people.

    You mean the Donbas where Ukraine was fighting Russia after they annexed Crimea?

    The Donbas is not Crimea; they don’t even touch.

    In 2014 the US facilitated a coup, installing a far-right comprador government, because the democratically elected government was insufficiently subservient to US interests. In response, Russia annexed Crimea, a region whose history and people were more aligned with Russia. There wasn’t much fighting involved because the people of Crimea largely welcomed this.

    But getting back to the Donbas: how is bombing apartment complexes in one’s own country for nearly a decade “fighting Russia”? That was a neonazi ethnic cleansing project with the support of their own government and the CIA.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Gaddafi was a leader in the liberation struggle against the Global North’s imperialism.

    It was Gaddafi who was sodomized with a bayonet. Wikipedia: Killing of Muammar Gaddafi

    The NTC initially claimed Gaddafi died from injuries sustained in a firefight when loyalist forces attempted to free him, although a video of his last moments shows rebel fighters beating him and one of them sodomizing him with a bayonet before he was shot several times.

    In typical US fashion, it fabricated atrocities as a pretext for regime change: 2011 Libyan rape allegations

    Three women, loads of lies and the destruction of Libya

    Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power were the three principal advocates of war against Libya in 2011, setting the North African nation on a free fall ever since. Demonstrations broke out in some Libyan cities against the government of late Muammar Gaddafi in February 2011, in what became known as the “Arab Spring” that engulfed the region. However, Libya’s promised spring turned into a destructive autumn during which Gaddafi was murdered on 20 October, 2011, and Libya was left anguishing in lawlessness, courtesy of the three women.

    The US does this all the time; it’s still doing it. The blueprint of regime change operations

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    subjects

    You mean insurgents funded by the west after having them give up their nuclear deterrence because it posed a major threat to capitalism/imperialism in the region.

    Libya went from one of the poorest countries in the world to having the highest human development index in Africa by 2010 under the socialist government. Housing and healthcare were made a human right and youth literacy reached pretty much 100%.

    Yes, I'll have sympathy for the country that was basically extorted by the west through brutal sanctions into disarming itself so it could be invaded and destroyed, as any human should.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    He made it better for Arabs, everyone else was treated horribly. But hey I guess being a dictator is fine as long as the people you like are being treated okay and fuck everyone else. How very Modi of you.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    He made it better for Arabs, everyone else was treated horribly.

    Who was everyone else?

    But hey I guess being a dictator

    Libya in Gaddafi’s time was more democratic than the United States has ever been. Libya: How To Kill a Nation

    When Five Eyes governments and corporate media tell you that someone’s a “dictator,” they do it to manufacture consent for regime change.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ukraine rely on a lot more than just the USA. But what else can they do? It's either that or they get annexed.

    Their are a small country versus a world power.

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  • [+] -27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    The region doesn't rely on the US, the post-2014 fascist government that doesn't care about the wishes of eastern Ukrainians does.

    There wasn't a problem here until the US-backed coup in 2014 and subsequent killing of eastern Ukrainians and Crimeans (if you're wondering why Crimeans overwhelmingly support Russia) by the coup gov for resisting, which also doesn't respect the Minsk agreements to stay neutral.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Feel free to point out what you disagree with.

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