To any lurking liberals, I assure you that literally everyone here would celebrate if anyone threw Trump in a pit and tossed in a grenade. You on the other hand would be horrified and liberal media would instantly tell you to consider this a terrible thing. You would go along with this, like you go along with literally everything liberal media tells you.

We oppose him significantly more than you do. The difference here is that we'd also celebrate if that happened to 99% of the genociding war criminals that thoroughly deserve it in the party you advocated for too.

Someone link to this in that thread or something I don't know.

If leftists took over the country they would, ideally, form a worker's tribunal and execute Trump (or at least chuck him in a pit). When liberals run the country they just hope some state-level courts will make Trump pay large sums of money.

If Trump is a dangerous fascist, which method would stop him? Which method would allow him to continuously run for office?

"Typical of tankies -- resort to extremism. We could just pass a law that bans Trump from being president. No violence needed and we can uphold Western values."

Then why haven't you done it? Oh that's right, the precious system can be easily captures by fascists. Almost like it was designed that way. If only some tankie had written some books about this...

Fellas, is it pro-Trump to oppose a right-wing government and be literal communists?

Meanwhile their rotting God-king Joseph Robinette Biden

Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

1. Trump does and says funny things.

2. He is not good at imperialism and surrounds himself with idiots.

That's it, that's the support

A lot of people don't understand that there is a difference between liberal and leftist which makes them automatically assume that anyone speaking negatively of liberals must be a conservative. A consequence of Americans calling their centre right party "the left".

They think calling him our big wet boy is like positive

We talk about killing fascists all the time

These libs are fucking deluded

when you actually read the actual comment its surprisingly not supporting trump at all

fucking liberals istg

Go ahead, lemmitors, call the people on here that can cite evidence and quote theory effortlessly "right wing trolls" and fake leftists, while every single argument I've read where one of them participate is AT BEST just a sophist making extremely general and vague assertions (muh human nature, muh authoritarianism) while they get bodied by a dozen effortposts. They even have the gall to claim all we do is post emojis instead of argue, but they're just telling on themselves because Hexbear usually will hit you with substantial responses if you're engaging in good faith, the PPBs are for the tier chauvinist takes.

Blue MAGA really is a great label for these liberal fascists with no thinking capability

I'm getting increasingly :doomer over how significantly different their little mind palace is from reality. It's like, they live in a game with well defined rules and ignore every example where the rules don't apply, then act smug over the rules, like everything is figured out.

The classic response is so demeaning. Like no, that is obviously not helping us, anyone we can vote for is actively paid off by the orgs and people we're trying to defend ourselves against. The only way to get in a position where someone can even vote for you is by being completely bought out. The democracy will be undermined by millions of dollars to the opposing candidate every time you step out of the pre-approved script, and even if the rare good officials win out, they've just had all their mental effort sapped away for months to defend against them.

Since I know we have some comrades in the posting trenches, I figured out a good way of explaining it to them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k

This was a pretty popular clip, they might have seen it. Pierce Morgan is treating this communist as an Obama-supporter because he is so brain-rotted that anyone criticizing Trump must have Obama as their sacred cow, completely failing to understand that there is discourse outside of that limited political spectrum. They are doing exactly the same thing with the Dems.

Trump support is defined by a discursive analysis of the communities which someone is a part of. If the vibes feel sufficiently Trump-esque to the observer then you've got yourself a Trump supporter.

Honestly, Trump just quotes Mao and Leneeen so frequently, as well as utilising dialectical materialist analysis, that it should come as no surprise that MLs are the rhetorical mirror of Trump.

"Trump is obviously just saying what he says he knows he's not supposed to because it gets him free media attention for a week, like a spoiled 6 year old. Just ignore him."

"Actually he's a very competent and serious person who should be taken seriously, why do you support trump?"

When you definitely understand communism

"This thread where you don't express any support for Trump show that you support Trump (somehow)"

Why y'all gotta get me tilted by sharing these takes? Fucking hell, I should just stay off the Internet.

Gonna think fondly of the first few weeks of the Lemmy boom when leftists were still the most popular faction before .world brought Reddit over

Folks, the bourgeois, they're no good, more and more people are saying it. All these workers— the biggest, we have the biggest workers— very handsome workers come up to me and say, Comrade Trump there is a specter haunting Europe, and you know what, they're right. These bourgeois are very nasty people, very very rude, and very unfair to the workers. They are stealing our surplus value and no one is doing anything about it. The proletariat comes up to me every day and says, Comrade Trump will you lead the revolution? And I gotta turn to them and say look, the instruments of capitalism will be used to bring about its destruction, believe me. The means of production, Obama never wanted to seize them. Well guess what? I'm seizing them. Landlords? They're done for folks. Everyone told me— they said, Comrade Trump you won't be the vanguard of the revolution and they would laugh, the media laughed the democrats laughed, guess who's laughing now?

And then you have these capitalists, those are real beauties! This is their new hoax- they take a piece of machine, a big beautiful shiny new means of production, and they buy it and y'know, they own it, it's a big beautiful shiny new machine, all the bells and whistles, bing bing bing, and then they have the workers- who are totally not being treated fairly in this country, folks, BELIEVE ME, totally exploited, and they have these workers-and they pay them a certain amount, could beee... $20 per hour, could be TEN, could be FIVE, could be TWELVE, they pay them a certain amount, okay, and with their labor they build the product.

And the owner of the machine, of the capital, "Capitalist" they turn around and sell the product at a yuge markup, they call it "profit." ok, so they call it profit! They don't sell it at the cost it took to make it, okay, so what do they do with this extra, you know what I call it? I call it surplus value. I call it surplus value, and do they share the surplus value with the people whose labor PROVIDED the value it took to make that product? I don't think so, folks.

They stick in a bank and then they say "ohhhh I can't afford to pay you more!" Bad- BAD people. It's totally phony, folks. Raw deal, our proletariat are getting a raw deal. But not for long! We're gonna- and by the way it never occurs the workers to pool their resources and buy the big beautiful machine in order to share the profit that they created in the first place with their labour! And you know why? Because the capitalists pay the workers such a low wage they can't afford to then invest and pool their money and share in ownership... of the means of production! Can't do it! This is the biggest scam on the planet, folks! Boy, I've heard some real beauties but that one, WOW, that's a doozy. That's a real beauty. But we're gonna fix it, folks, we're gonna fix it, okay? and you know what the laborers are going to do? They're gonna WIN.

Folks, what we did in 1917–the Revolution I call it, with a capital R–it's never been done before. So many big beautiful red flags, you couldn't even–now that, folks, that's a flag we stand up for, we don't kneel for our terrific red flag–and you couldn't even see the Winter Palace, you know. You know the Mensheviks, you take a look at what they said, and they were a, uh, a failed party, and Renegade Kautsky, very nasty to me but that's okay, they said we couldn't do it! They said, "Oh, Vlad, the material conditions are bad, we have to have a bourgeois republic to develop the forces of production." You know what that means, right? Semi-feudal economy! Okay, you get Semi-Feudal, and I said, I told them we can't have Semi-Feudal. Well, look at where we are now, Julius. We are going to develop the forces of production so fast it'll make your head spin. We are going to do in a generation what it took them many, many years to do. BELIEVE ME.

Deeply unserious people

What embarrassing little dorks.

I really hope these people grow up and are haunted by how cringey they were throughout their twenties

Welp pack it up people, they finally found us out. We had a good run and a lot of meddling, but now it's time to go vote harder.

This is bullshit. I should have been in that screenshot!

He was in all seriousness probably not much worse than George W Bush, who I think I hate more than Trump. He was worse in some ways, better in others. But GWB had 8 years to fuck up the world and Trump only had 4. Liberals have completely whitewashed GWB which is pretty depressing.

Liberals should try to stop mirroring carbon copying trumps rhetoric when it comes to countries they sanctioned into poverty like Venezuela and Iran, that they would love to bomb and coup now.