cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/17617609

They supposedly can be disabled in settings- but we all know that won't last. They're going full Microsoft Skype mode and it's only a matter of time.

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[–] 29 points 2 years ago (5 children)

slowly moving myself to https://revolt.chat/.

Its sad since I've been with discord since almost '15.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Compared to Matrix, or any E2EE chat, this doesn't sound good:

    we take your privacy very seriously. And with end-to-end encryption coming to DMs and group chats soon

    Compared to Discord, or other established voice chat systems like Mumble, this doesn't sound great either:

    We are currently rebuilding the client and the voice server from scratch. The old voice should work in most cases, but it may inexplicably not connect in some scenarios and / or exhibit weird behaviour.

    The "app" on Android seems to be just the webapp running in a standalone window.

    I'll concede them the OpenSource and self-hosted factors, and it does look like Discord, but it doesn't seem like a suitable replacement for average users... yet. Then again, the ads might push them over.

    Guess it's worth to keep an eye on it.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    so this Revolt project is open source, which is nice, but still seems to rely on centralized servers. Does it use P2P for voice+video+fileshare so that the original devs aren't on the hook for insane bandwidth requirements? I can't see anything about their networking systems in the FAQ or info pages.

    I may consider getting my friends to switch sooner or later if it's more P2P based. But I don't really want something that runs ALL traffic through central servers, because the bandwidth costs will inevitably just lead to the same situation that Discord is now in.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    It's self-hostable, and they seem to be switching to webrtc-rs, not sure whether with P2P or not:

    https://trello.com/c/Ay6KdiOV/1-voice-overhaul-and-video-calling

    In 2022, they claimed it was using minimal resources on the server:

    https://developers.revolt.chat/faq/monetisation

    They also don't seem to consider federation as a priority, but then again neither does Discord.

    https://developers.revolt.chat/faq/federation

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Oh cool there's an Android app, that's gonna make it so much easier to recommend!

    Edit: I just read about how it's centralized and not encrypted, I'm not sure how this can become anything but Discord except open source and less popular. Matrix + Element seems to cover my use case for a project a bit better, I'll give that a try.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just tried it... it says "Running in Chrome". Seems to be a repackaged webapp.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    well that's no different than Discord already, so net zero change

    running webapps in chrome or Electron containers simplifies a lot of development, i don't like their resource requirements or dependency on Chromium, but I do understand needing to streamline development so devs can work on more important backend stuff.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The difference is:

    • Discord: Electron app, 156 MB, works offline
    • Revolt: webapp, 635 kB, doesn't work offline

    The "works offline" is not much of a bonus for a chat app, but you can access cached chats on Discord, while Revolt... just doesn't run.

    There seem to be other clients for it, though. Haven't checked those out.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    In theory PWAs can be configured to run offline, whether they're doing that I don't know.

    The desktop app looks like it's electron though.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    I know, one of the best PWAs I've seen is Draw.io, fully usable offline, with both device and browser storage.

    The Revolt's one however, even though delivered as a PWA, seems to be only the login page. If already logged in, it throws a "Network error." dialog. Haven't checked the desktop one.

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