▲ 460 ▼ The New Audi A3 Is Amess With In-Car Subscriptions (www.motor1.com) submitted 2 years ago by absquatulate@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 196 comments fedilink hide all child comments So far there's subscriptions for cruise control, adaptive beams, various navigation options, apple/google integration and my favorite, dual-zone climate.
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (37 children) Headline is enough for me to never consider purchasing an Audi. Toyota is out. Mercedes is out. Audi is out. Who else? permalink fedilink source hideshow 37 child comments replies: [–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago* (12 children) I use Linux and Lemmy, if they think they are going to get me to buy a subscription for cruise control they are out of their mind. BMW was the first I think to announce subscriptions but they backtracked after negative feedback. Hopefully they stay that way, as I do love my bimmers. All it takes is one holdout. I'd rather drive around an open source rustbox than buy a sub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (11 children) I've kinda been looking at the price of used cars and have started thinking -- I'm an engineer, I can probably learn how to replace my Subaru's engine myself. I'll just ride it til the wheels fall off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (10 children) As an engineer with a Subaru that needs a new engine (among other cars in various states of disrepair) I can tell you that, at least for me, the problem isn't necessarily knowing what to do on a conceptual level. The problem is the physical difficulty of removing and installing parts (contorting yourself to reach a thing deep in the engine bay and then having the strength to break free rusted bolts, etc.). If you go for it, I highly recommend having an actual garage with a roof and a door you can close instead of trying to do it in your driveway, so that you can walk away from it and come back later without having to worry that your tools will get stolen or rained on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (9 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Yeah for sure. I get frustrated and walk away a lot. But then I get frustrated with giving up and go back. Actual garage is a must lol. I'd probably get a car friend to come help where Im struggling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Rust, grime, heavy shit, bending over/crawling under, and weather, yeah. It's much more physically challenging than building a PC (and a little more technically complicated too, since you have to worry about torque specs and such). I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing it, just saying not to underestimate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You will never get sprayed in the face with hot poison fixing your PC. You will never have to apply a torch to your siezed up cpu. Your PC falling on you won't kill you. You will never have to replace your PC component in -15° weather. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's like 2k for an engine swap in an easy vehicle. By the time you purchase tools, a half ton lift, etc you'll be halfway there. Unless you hate life I'd save up for the professional swap. You're already find to attend 3-4 on a used engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Building a PC is something like .1% the effort IMO. Edit: in fact, what about it do you find pretty hard? I can't think of anything I've ever done that made me frustrated enough that I felt like I needed to walk away. Or even took particularly long. Maybe I'm just building crappy machines or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Bicycles and feet, if you can. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children) Mazda is still good I think. But they're kinda expensive and they gatekeep features to their higher tiers, that other manufacturers keep to their lower ones. Hyundai perhaps, but they've also had other issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] romamix@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mazda no, they are harassing the app developers who use their API https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/10/13/removal-of-mazda-connected-services-integration/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah but the only thing Mazda charges a subscription for is the extra unnecessary bullshit that is coordinated through their servers. Thats a fair value proposition, even though I’d never pay for it. Heated seats, radar cruise control, shit like that still just comes with the car. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hyundai perhaps, but they’ve also had other issues. I can't find an article about it right now, but I could've sworn they tried to pull some subscription bullshit (other than "Bluelink" or "Evolve+," which are relatively legit) a while back, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago At the very least I believe the only thing they're currently doing is Bluelink (remote find your car, start car over the Internet, etc). But maybe there's something they started in the last 6 months I haven't heard about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smite6645@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Man... What's Toyota doing? permalink fedilink source parent [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (6 children) Toyota is doing the subscription thing too? I didn't hear about that one. I only heard about BMW, Mercedes, and now Audi. If Toyota/Lexus is out, then I guess my plans of buying an AWD coupe as my next car are truly dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Toyota was gonna do it for remote starters, I believe. Subaru is an AWD option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Remote start through an app I guess? At least that conceivably requires an ongoing cost on their side to justify it (although I'd be willing to bet there's a 10,000% markup on it). Will be annoying if they are using a 3G chip for the data connection and 3G gets shut down like 2G did. As for the AWD thing, it's the coupe part that's hard. The Germans all make a coupe with AWD available, Lexus has the RC, and that's about it (since the challenger is end of production), other than supercars that are out of my price range. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I get a subscription for remote starts that use cell. I don't want that, why would I want that, when conventional remote start works great. Best part, remote start for Toyota is about a $100 third party add-on that takes 10 minutes to install. Put one im a friend's Taco last year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] derpgon@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Looks like all they do is: Music streaming directly from your infotainment ($15), live navigation + new voice commands + 24/7 agent in case you need support ($15), both above ($25, wow, such sale), and some AT&T specific bullshit where you can apparently make your car a hotspot ($25). https://www.toyota.com/connected-services/ All in all, all of them useless, and absolutely not required. All of them are covered by having a phone with Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Aphelion@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 8ender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago iirc BMW pulled back on it and only does a subscription for stuff that legit requires an internet connection permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC, Hyundai is out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are they? They charge for the stuff that actually requires server infrastructure after 3 years, I believe. Which is the one case that seems reasonable to me as long as it's not gouging. But I hadn't heard about anything else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago If you read more than the headline, you'd know that you can simply purchase those options instead of subscribing, if you want. Which makes the entire article pointless. But you'd need to read more than the headline to see that, which is too much to ask. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) Tesla, certainly. BMW also. Subaru still seems to be okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Tesla was one of the original pioneers with FSD subscriptions. BMW had heated seat subscriptions but walked it back. They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. I disagree: if the physical hardware came on the car, the owner is entitled to use it (that's how property rights work). Therefore, BMW should be forced to either charge everybody for it as a standard feature or physically not include the hardware for the people who aren't getting it. Hardware that's artificially locked behind DRM -- which is what being "activatable" by even a one-time fee after the fact really is -- is a direct attack on property rights and therefore entirely unacceptable! permalink fedilink source parent [–] wjrii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I have a 2022. It's not terrible, but there's definitely a subscription for remote start and a few other connected type features. Nothing related to actual driving once you're in the car though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bezier@suppo.fi 0 points 2 years ago Depends on how easy it is to jailbreak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago Sweats in Apples "Courage" to remove the headphone jack Anyone...? Hello? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I have an Audi, it is a great car. I dont lioe subscriptions so I wouldnt get into that type of deal but there are workarounds also. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago* (12 children) I use Linux and Lemmy, if they think they are going to get me to buy a subscription for cruise control they are out of their mind. BMW was the first I think to announce subscriptions but they backtracked after negative feedback. Hopefully they stay that way, as I do love my bimmers. All it takes is one holdout. I'd rather drive around an open source rustbox than buy a sub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (11 children) I've kinda been looking at the price of used cars and have started thinking -- I'm an engineer, I can probably learn how to replace my Subaru's engine myself. I'll just ride it til the wheels fall off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (10 children) As an engineer with a Subaru that needs a new engine (among other cars in various states of disrepair) I can tell you that, at least for me, the problem isn't necessarily knowing what to do on a conceptual level. The problem is the physical difficulty of removing and installing parts (contorting yourself to reach a thing deep in the engine bay and then having the strength to break free rusted bolts, etc.). If you go for it, I highly recommend having an actual garage with a roof and a door you can close instead of trying to do it in your driveway, so that you can walk away from it and come back later without having to worry that your tools will get stolen or rained on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (9 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Yeah for sure. I get frustrated and walk away a lot. But then I get frustrated with giving up and go back. Actual garage is a must lol. I'd probably get a car friend to come help where Im struggling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Rust, grime, heavy shit, bending over/crawling under, and weather, yeah. It's much more physically challenging than building a PC (and a little more technically complicated too, since you have to worry about torque specs and such). I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing it, just saying not to underestimate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You will never get sprayed in the face with hot poison fixing your PC. You will never have to apply a torch to your siezed up cpu. Your PC falling on you won't kill you. You will never have to replace your PC component in -15° weather. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's like 2k for an engine swap in an easy vehicle. By the time you purchase tools, a half ton lift, etc you'll be halfway there. Unless you hate life I'd save up for the professional swap. You're already find to attend 3-4 on a used engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Building a PC is something like .1% the effort IMO. Edit: in fact, what about it do you find pretty hard? I can't think of anything I've ever done that made me frustrated enough that I felt like I needed to walk away. Or even took particularly long. Maybe I'm just building crappy machines or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (11 children) I've kinda been looking at the price of used cars and have started thinking -- I'm an engineer, I can probably learn how to replace my Subaru's engine myself. I'll just ride it til the wheels fall off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (10 children) As an engineer with a Subaru that needs a new engine (among other cars in various states of disrepair) I can tell you that, at least for me, the problem isn't necessarily knowing what to do on a conceptual level. The problem is the physical difficulty of removing and installing parts (contorting yourself to reach a thing deep in the engine bay and then having the strength to break free rusted bolts, etc.). If you go for it, I highly recommend having an actual garage with a roof and a door you can close instead of trying to do it in your driveway, so that you can walk away from it and come back later without having to worry that your tools will get stolen or rained on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (9 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Yeah for sure. I get frustrated and walk away a lot. But then I get frustrated with giving up and go back. Actual garage is a must lol. I'd probably get a car friend to come help where Im struggling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Rust, grime, heavy shit, bending over/crawling under, and weather, yeah. It's much more physically challenging than building a PC (and a little more technically complicated too, since you have to worry about torque specs and such). I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing it, just saying not to underestimate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You will never get sprayed in the face with hot poison fixing your PC. You will never have to apply a torch to your siezed up cpu. Your PC falling on you won't kill you. You will never have to replace your PC component in -15° weather. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's like 2k for an engine swap in an easy vehicle. By the time you purchase tools, a half ton lift, etc you'll be halfway there. Unless you hate life I'd save up for the professional swap. You're already find to attend 3-4 on a used engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Building a PC is something like .1% the effort IMO. Edit: in fact, what about it do you find pretty hard? I can't think of anything I've ever done that made me frustrated enough that I felt like I needed to walk away. Or even took particularly long. Maybe I'm just building crappy machines or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (10 children) As an engineer with a Subaru that needs a new engine (among other cars in various states of disrepair) I can tell you that, at least for me, the problem isn't necessarily knowing what to do on a conceptual level. The problem is the physical difficulty of removing and installing parts (contorting yourself to reach a thing deep in the engine bay and then having the strength to break free rusted bolts, etc.). If you go for it, I highly recommend having an actual garage with a roof and a door you can close instead of trying to do it in your driveway, so that you can walk away from it and come back later without having to worry that your tools will get stolen or rained on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (9 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Yeah for sure. I get frustrated and walk away a lot. But then I get frustrated with giving up and go back. Actual garage is a must lol. I'd probably get a car friend to come help where Im struggling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Rust, grime, heavy shit, bending over/crawling under, and weather, yeah. It's much more physically challenging than building a PC (and a little more technically complicated too, since you have to worry about torque specs and such). I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing it, just saying not to underestimate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You will never get sprayed in the face with hot poison fixing your PC. You will never have to apply a torch to your siezed up cpu. Your PC falling on you won't kill you. You will never have to replace your PC component in -15° weather. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's like 2k for an engine swap in an easy vehicle. By the time you purchase tools, a half ton lift, etc you'll be halfway there. Unless you hate life I'd save up for the professional swap. You're already find to attend 3-4 on a used engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Building a PC is something like .1% the effort IMO. Edit: in fact, what about it do you find pretty hard? I can't think of anything I've ever done that made me frustrated enough that I felt like I needed to walk away. Or even took particularly long. Maybe I'm just building crappy machines or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (9 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Yeah for sure. I get frustrated and walk away a lot. But then I get frustrated with giving up and go back. Actual garage is a must lol. I'd probably get a car friend to come help where Im struggling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Rust, grime, heavy shit, bending over/crawling under, and weather, yeah. It's much more physically challenging than building a PC (and a little more technically complicated too, since you have to worry about torque specs and such). I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing it, just saying not to underestimate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You will never get sprayed in the face with hot poison fixing your PC. You will never have to apply a torch to your siezed up cpu. Your PC falling on you won't kill you. You will never have to replace your PC component in -15° weather. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's like 2k for an engine swap in an easy vehicle. By the time you purchase tools, a half ton lift, etc you'll be halfway there. Unless you hate life I'd save up for the professional swap. You're already find to attend 3-4 on a used engine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Building a PC is something like .1% the effort IMO. Edit: in fact, what about it do you find pretty hard? I can't think of anything I've ever done that made me frustrated enough that I felt like I needed to walk away. Or even took particularly long. Maybe I'm just building crappy machines or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Hey that sounds like building a PC only with rust as a bonus challenge! Rust, grime, heavy shit, bending over/crawling under, and weather, yeah. It's much more physically challenging than building a PC (and a little more technically complicated too, since you have to worry about torque specs and such). I'm not trying to discourage anybody from doing it, just saying not to underestimate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) As someone who is seemingly constantly working on computers and has done a ton of engine building and other deep car stuff, in addition to the garage mentioned previously, I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. Unless your plan is to make a hobby of having exploded cars in the yard, this'll go a long way towards putting an end in sight for an engine rebuilding venture. Also fuck all car subscriptions - that's some gross profiteering right there... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'd recommend buying a buildable engine core for your subaru, getting that built (either do it yourself - recommended, or by a machine shop - will probably work well, but will cost a lot of $$) and having it ready to install rather than trying to pull the existing engine out and rebuilding it - especially if the current engine still runs. How do you feel about those 60k miles used engines from Japan? (My engine appears to have that "spun bearing caused by cornering-induced oil starvation" problem that's apparently common to EJ205s.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Meant to mention those and forgot! As long as it's got some kind of decent guarantee that's a great way to go. Should be plenty of them out there, as I'd imagine most of those vehicles end up getting totaled in accidents of varying severities rather than dying from engine problems. I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I do believe the Japanese engines are available as a result of their having stricter emissions requirements, BTW… I was under the impression that it was because of expensive inspection requirements based on mileage (or maybe age, sources I found are unclear) that cause a lot of cars to get parted out at 100,000 km regardless of their actual condition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telstarado@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Could be - tbh it's been a minute since I looked into those. Either way, a low mileage pull is an excellent option and will last the life of the car if well maintained.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago You will never get sprayed in the face with hot poison fixing your PC. You will never have to apply a torch to your siezed up cpu. Your PC falling on you won't kill you. You will never have to replace your PC component in -15° weather. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It's like 2k for an engine swap in an easy vehicle. By the time you purchase tools, a half ton lift, etc you'll be halfway there. Unless you hate life I'd save up for the professional swap. You're already find to attend 3-4 on a used engine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Building a PC is something like .1% the effort IMO. Edit: in fact, what about it do you find pretty hard? I can't think of anything I've ever done that made me frustrated enough that I felt like I needed to walk away. Or even took particularly long. Maybe I'm just building crappy machines or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Bicycles and feet, if you can. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children) Mazda is still good I think. But they're kinda expensive and they gatekeep features to their higher tiers, that other manufacturers keep to their lower ones. Hyundai perhaps, but they've also had other issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] romamix@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mazda no, they are harassing the app developers who use their API https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/10/13/removal-of-mazda-connected-services-integration/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah but the only thing Mazda charges a subscription for is the extra unnecessary bullshit that is coordinated through their servers. Thats a fair value proposition, even though I’d never pay for it. Heated seats, radar cruise control, shit like that still just comes with the car. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hyundai perhaps, but they’ve also had other issues. I can't find an article about it right now, but I could've sworn they tried to pull some subscription bullshit (other than "Bluelink" or "Evolve+," which are relatively legit) a while back, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago At the very least I believe the only thing they're currently doing is Bluelink (remote find your car, start car over the Internet, etc). But maybe there's something they started in the last 6 months I haven't heard about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] romamix@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mazda no, they are harassing the app developers who use their API https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/10/13/removal-of-mazda-connected-services-integration/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah but the only thing Mazda charges a subscription for is the extra unnecessary bullshit that is coordinated through their servers. Thats a fair value proposition, even though I’d never pay for it. Heated seats, radar cruise control, shit like that still just comes with the car. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yeah but the only thing Mazda charges a subscription for is the extra unnecessary bullshit that is coordinated through their servers. Thats a fair value proposition, even though I’d never pay for it. Heated seats, radar cruise control, shit like that still just comes with the car. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hyundai perhaps, but they’ve also had other issues. I can't find an article about it right now, but I could've sworn they tried to pull some subscription bullshit (other than "Bluelink" or "Evolve+," which are relatively legit) a while back, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago At the very least I believe the only thing they're currently doing is Bluelink (remote find your car, start car over the Internet, etc). But maybe there's something they started in the last 6 months I haven't heard about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago At the very least I believe the only thing they're currently doing is Bluelink (remote find your car, start car over the Internet, etc). But maybe there's something they started in the last 6 months I haven't heard about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smite6645@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Man... What's Toyota doing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (6 children) Toyota is doing the subscription thing too? I didn't hear about that one. I only heard about BMW, Mercedes, and now Audi. If Toyota/Lexus is out, then I guess my plans of buying an AWD coupe as my next car are truly dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Toyota was gonna do it for remote starters, I believe. Subaru is an AWD option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Remote start through an app I guess? At least that conceivably requires an ongoing cost on their side to justify it (although I'd be willing to bet there's a 10,000% markup on it). Will be annoying if they are using a 3G chip for the data connection and 3G gets shut down like 2G did. As for the AWD thing, it's the coupe part that's hard. The Germans all make a coupe with AWD available, Lexus has the RC, and that's about it (since the challenger is end of production), other than supercars that are out of my price range. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I get a subscription for remote starts that use cell. I don't want that, why would I want that, when conventional remote start works great. Best part, remote start for Toyota is about a $100 third party add-on that takes 10 minutes to install. Put one im a friend's Taco last year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] derpgon@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Looks like all they do is: Music streaming directly from your infotainment ($15), live navigation + new voice commands + 24/7 agent in case you need support ($15), both above ($25, wow, such sale), and some AT&T specific bullshit where you can apparently make your car a hotspot ($25). https://www.toyota.com/connected-services/ All in all, all of them useless, and absolutely not required. All of them are covered by having a phone with Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Aphelion@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] 8ender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago iirc BMW pulled back on it and only does a subscription for stuff that legit requires an internet connection permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Toyota was gonna do it for remote starters, I believe. Subaru is an AWD option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Remote start through an app I guess? At least that conceivably requires an ongoing cost on their side to justify it (although I'd be willing to bet there's a 10,000% markup on it). Will be annoying if they are using a 3G chip for the data connection and 3G gets shut down like 2G did. As for the AWD thing, it's the coupe part that's hard. The Germans all make a coupe with AWD available, Lexus has the RC, and that's about it (since the challenger is end of production), other than supercars that are out of my price range. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I get a subscription for remote starts that use cell. I don't want that, why would I want that, when conventional remote start works great. Best part, remote start for Toyota is about a $100 third party add-on that takes 10 minutes to install. Put one im a friend's Taco last year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Remote start through an app I guess? At least that conceivably requires an ongoing cost on their side to justify it (although I'd be willing to bet there's a 10,000% markup on it). Will be annoying if they are using a 3G chip for the data connection and 3G gets shut down like 2G did. As for the AWD thing, it's the coupe part that's hard. The Germans all make a coupe with AWD available, Lexus has the RC, and that's about it (since the challenger is end of production), other than supercars that are out of my price range. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I get a subscription for remote starts that use cell. I don't want that, why would I want that, when conventional remote start works great. Best part, remote start for Toyota is about a $100 third party add-on that takes 10 minutes to install. Put one im a friend's Taco last year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derpgon@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Looks like all they do is: Music streaming directly from your infotainment ($15), live navigation + new voice commands + 24/7 agent in case you need support ($15), both above ($25, wow, such sale), and some AT&T specific bullshit where you can apparently make your car a hotspot ($25). https://www.toyota.com/connected-services/ All in all, all of them useless, and absolutely not required. All of them are covered by having a phone with Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Aphelion@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 8ender@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago iirc BMW pulled back on it and only does a subscription for stuff that legit requires an internet connection permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC, Hyundai is out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are they? They charge for the stuff that actually requires server infrastructure after 3 years, I believe. Which is the one case that seems reasonable to me as long as it's not gouging. But I hadn't heard about anything else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are they? They charge for the stuff that actually requires server infrastructure after 3 years, I believe. Which is the one case that seems reasonable to me as long as it's not gouging. But I hadn't heard about anything else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago If you read more than the headline, you'd know that you can simply purchase those options instead of subscribing, if you want. Which makes the entire article pointless. But you'd need to read more than the headline to see that, which is too much to ask. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) Tesla, certainly. BMW also. Subaru still seems to be okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Tesla was one of the original pioneers with FSD subscriptions. BMW had heated seat subscriptions but walked it back. They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. I disagree: if the physical hardware came on the car, the owner is entitled to use it (that's how property rights work). Therefore, BMW should be forced to either charge everybody for it as a standard feature or physically not include the hardware for the people who aren't getting it. Hardware that's artificially locked behind DRM -- which is what being "activatable" by even a one-time fee after the fact really is -- is a direct attack on property rights and therefore entirely unacceptable! permalink fedilink source parent [–] wjrii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I have a 2022. It's not terrible, but there's definitely a subscription for remote start and a few other connected type features. Nothing related to actual driving once you're in the car though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Tesla was one of the original pioneers with FSD subscriptions. BMW had heated seat subscriptions but walked it back. They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. I disagree: if the physical hardware came on the car, the owner is entitled to use it (that's how property rights work). Therefore, BMW should be forced to either charge everybody for it as a standard feature or physically not include the hardware for the people who aren't getting it. Hardware that's artificially locked behind DRM -- which is what being "activatable" by even a one-time fee after the fact really is -- is a direct attack on property rights and therefore entirely unacceptable! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) They do have a subscription for the “drive recorder” camera but you can pay a one time fee to permanently unlock it so that’s at least acceptable. Edit: incidentally the permanent price is the same as if you bought it on your car new. I disagree: if the physical hardware came on the car, the owner is entitled to use it (that's how property rights work). Therefore, BMW should be forced to either charge everybody for it as a standard feature or physically not include the hardware for the people who aren't getting it. Hardware that's artificially locked behind DRM -- which is what being "activatable" by even a one-time fee after the fact really is -- is a direct attack on property rights and therefore entirely unacceptable! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I have a 2022. It's not terrible, but there's definitely a subscription for remote start and a few other connected type features. Nothing related to actual driving once you're in the car though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 0 points 2 years ago Depends on how easy it is to jailbreak. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago Sweats in Apples "Courage" to remove the headphone jack Anyone...? Hello? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I have an Audi, it is a great car. I dont lioe subscriptions so I wouldnt get into that type of deal but there are workarounds also. permalink fedilink source parent