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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bernie is still the only politician I have donated to but to be fair to Biden, bussing was met with violent protests and even black activists criticized it for weakening black communities. There were good reasons to be against that method without being against desegregation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There were good reasons to be against that method without being against desegregation.

That's not a fact, it's an opinion.

One that Biden hasn't been able to rationalize to Dem voters for decades.

If you want to try, give it a shot. I legitimately believe you might do a better job at it than Biden.

But you're gonna have to do more than say there was "good reasons" besides people of Bidens age being completely ignorant of psychology.

School busing sped up integration by decades, and when kids grow up in multiracial environments it changes their ingroup determination to not just be "people who look like me".

We can only change that at a very young age, but it sticks with you for life. Even with busing, the effects were decades away.

If we didn't have busing, generations of people would have suffered.

So if you and Biden want to argue with that, you're going to have to put in a lot of effort to throw the last 30 years of psychology

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not my opinion. It is the opinion of many black civil rights activists at the time. They argued that spreading out the kids would weaken the ties to the black community. They wanted to make black schools better rather than move kids. They argued that strengthening the black community would be the most effective way to pursue civil rights. Given that black children still get inferior education to whites and black communities are impoverished, they might have been right.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol.

You can't try to defend Biden...

So you make up hypothetical Black people and say they didn't want their kids to go to school with white kids?

Like, you just honestly tried to say it was the Black people being racist, and what's the implication?

That Biden knew that, lied about why he was against busing as a cover job?

Why not just stop replying instead of that shit you typed?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Black leaders were mixed on the practice. Activist Jesse Jackson, NAACP officials and U.S. Rep. Shirley Chisholm were among those who supported busing efforts and policies. But many Black nationalists argued that focus should instead be placed on strengthening schools in Black communities.

A February 1981 Gallup Poll found 60 percent of Black Americans were in favor of busing, while 30 percent were opposed to it. Among white people surveyed, 17 percent favored busing, and 78 percent were against it.

“It ain’t the bus, it’s us,’’ Jackson told The New York Times in 1981. ‘’Busing is absolutely a code word for desegregation. The forces that have historically been in charge of segregation are now being asked to be in charge of desegregation.’”

https://www.history.com/news/desegregation-busing-schools

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Has it been so long that you forgot which side eyounwere arguing?

Or do you legitimately think that backs up your opinion from almost a day ago?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Those are the "hypothetical" black people you were talking about. My point was always that there are legitimate reasons for not supporting busing.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago

Black supremacists...

So Biden wasnt against school desegregation because he agreed with white supremacists...

You think it was because he agreed with Black supremacists so it's fine.

Fucking ridiculous man, but if you can't just take the L this has definitely been worth a block., doesn't even matter at this point if you're trolling or legitimately incapable of understanding this shit.