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[–] 12 points 2 years ago (48 children)

It kinda makes sense, protests are supposed to be peaceful, why bring a mask if your intent is a peaceful protest?

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  • [–] 74 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    Protest is never peaceful, if it is you're doing it wrong. It should be non-violent and as respectful as possible but it needs to be disruptive and you can't be peacefully disruptive

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (36 children)

    Peaceful and non-violent are synonyms….

    You also contradict yourself as well. You say to be non-violent, then you say you can’t be peacefully disruptive… those contradict each other.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are being disruptive.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    And that is peaceful as well, until it isn’t.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    ...and in 99% of the cases where it stops being "peaceful" it's because cops come in and violently assault everyone to try to break up the protest.

    I'm really not sure of the point you're trying to make. Protest can be peaceful, non-violent and disruptive.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (29 children)

    No, they aren't. You must be disruptive, which isn't peaceful.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (28 children)

    How can you be non-violent and not peaceful at the same time…? lmfao. They mean the exact same thing.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Hmm I see what the dictionaries are saying but (using an example from above) I think argument exists that:

    If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are not being peaceful.

    But it's Friday and no time for argument!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (7 children)

    What’s not peaceful about blocking a road?

    The argument falls apart when you ask for the difference lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Peaceful: freedom from disturbance; tranquility.

    It is a disturbance to the system, and it isn't tranquil. They are not synonyms. Non-violent means you aren't hurting anyone, peaceful means you aren't disturbing anything. You can't be violent and peaceful but you can be non-violent and non-peaceful. Peace is sufficient but not necessary for non-violence.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Literally the next definition after that one….

    not involving war or violence.

    SYNONYMS…

    Peaceful literally means non-violent…. Literally defines the bloody term lmfao.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    One definition of peaceful is synonymous, and one isn't. This is exactly why language has so many synonyms, each one is sliiiightly different. Choosing one intentionally instead of another is important.

    In this instance, "peace" is being defined (not directly, but through context) as status quo, going about your day unhindered. "Violence" is being defined as causing direct physical harm to a person, and possibly property depending on who you ask.

    With these definitions laid out, it's easy enough to see a situation that is not violent (no one got hurt at all) and also not peaceful (some people's days were interrupted) - one person mentioned blocking a road. This is a FANTASTIC example of non-peaceful non-violent protest. No one likes a pedant.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    No one likes a pedant.

    Goes on a bloviated pedantic rant…

    Yep, just like the people trying to say blocking a road isn’t peaceful. They are trying to pedantically choose a definition to make a point. Blocking a road is absolutely peaceful, trying to explain it any other way would be to be pendantic. Lmfao.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Disruptive doesn't mean violent, but it isn't peaceful.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (15 children)

    Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Skydiving isn't peaceful, but it certainly isn't violent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    What’s not peaceful about skydiving…?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I'd go with the wind, noise, speed, and imminent possiblity of death.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (8 children)

    wind, noise, speed.

    So going for a drive wouldn’t be peaceful either…?

    imminent possiblity of death.

    So… driving again? Or riding a motor bike? Not peaceful…? Strange perspective to have…

    Strange example to try and use lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Go ahead, take a nice bath, read a book, or do some origami while skydiving, or driving at 200mph with the top down.

    Strange example to try and use lol.

    You know what is peaceful? Take a hike.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Getting chased by bears is peaceful..? Getting attacked by wasps is peaceful…?

    Anything can be twisted one way or the other dude lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You're making petty, empty, semantic "arguments" and you know it.

    Also, whoosh.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    You started…

    And I knew that, lmfao hence why I gave you the same stupid bull shit.

    This is what my argument is.

    not involving war or violence.

    "there were no violent incidents reported and it was a peaceful protest"

    You can’t be non-violent without also being peaceful…

    So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Ah, so if someone catches a charge for disturbing the peace, then they must have been violent?

    So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

    1st definition of peaceful. adjective

    free from disturbance; tranquil.
    "everything was so quiet and peaceful in the early morning"
    synonyms: tranquil, calm, restful, pleasant, quiet, still, relaxing, soothing, sleepy, silent, soundless, hushed, noiseless, undisturbed, untroubled, private, secluded, solitary, isolated, serene, composed, placid, at peace, at rest, at ease, in repose, reposeful, unworried, unruffled, anxiety-free, content, blissful, secure
    

    You are factually wrong on this statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

    The term is “causing a disturbance” they avoid that term for a very good reason.

    You understand a word can mean multiple things… yeah…?

    There is no first definition, just multiple, they aren’t ranked, other dictionaries have the one I put first. So what point do you think that was making?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I thought your point was that neither definition fit my usage of peaceful? Is that not what you meant by...

    ...So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There have been events where nazis show up to counter protest and film/photograph you to then share among themselves so they can attack you later.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Thats happening a lot lately in Germany. At every fucking Antifa protest at least one suspicious looking guy films with his handy. I honestly doubt, that they have the necessary skill and contact with other fascists in other cities to identify everybody, but I still don‘t want them to know my face

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Masks are no indicator of criminality. The idea that bad protesters wear masks is complete horseshit. It serves to divide movements and prevent momentum from being gained. It seeks to dissolve solidarity that couls have been gained at the protests.

    Masks allow peaceful protests to remain peaceful if they prevent the violence of the justice system. Sometimes protesters and organizers are simply arrested and thrown in jail for a bit, sometimes even given nonsense charges, which is something that happens to organizers and some protesters in my area.

    As well as that, masks can simply be good secops in some counter-protests such as protesting against fascist marches, gatherings, etc. If I’m showing up to show nazis or boogaloos or proud boys that they are unwelcome, the last thing I want is a violent right wing extremist group to try and doxx me. If I’m escorting people to a drag-queen story hour, I don’t want fascists to doxx me.

    It’s also smart in some areas, such as Harvard’s campus where organizers are constantly doxxed and accused of antisemitism even though they are not.

    Finally, what if the government makes your particular movement illegal? What if they start throwing the book people, accusing everyone involved(or at least the ones they can catch) of domestic terrorism? Wearing a mask will make it a lot easier for you to maintain your freedom when faced with the tyrrany of the state.

    Also, masks look cool, and that’s a pretty good reason imo.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "Peaceful protest" is the ideal they push because it doesn't work. If it worked it wouldn't be praised. They don't want change.

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