"burn it all, "burn it all down and start over" isn't a plan. That's a tantrum.

No it's humanity's only faint hope, because if we do not stop the capitalists with physical force, they won't stop, they will use their power/capital to further divide us and purchase their own regulators, and with one technology or another they can profit from with "externalities" they don't care about because it's not their problem, they WILL destroy the only habitable world all humans rely on from one breath to the next in their need for mooooaaaaaaar. and let's be honest, if we can't even find homeostasis with this forgiving world, Mars or Titan habitation, worlds where a single mistake means everyone dies immediately, is a bad joke. It's 2024 and 2 lunar landers ended up broken and upside down. Our moon is basically the interstellar equivalent of successfully sucking on a baba. For more than "we did it" ego trips with 5 highly trained people walking a high risk tight rope of death to plant a flag, Earth is all we got without at least a millenium of technological advancement we probably don't have.

We probably won't stop them though. So we'll almost certainly destroy ourselves demanding infinite growth/metastasis on a finite world. Which it sounds like you like, as at least we won't throw an unseemly tantrum on our march to extinction, I do declare. Let it not be said that we didn't practice decorum.

I think this might be what the scientific community hypothesizes as a great filter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter#:~:text=The%20Great%20Filter%20is%20the,detectable%20extraterrestrial%20life%20exceedingly%20rare.

Maybe when species evolve sapience, they destroy themselves with technologies they are juuusst barely smart enough create, but are still too primitive, selfish, and "duuuuuuuh" to wield responsibly for the collective good. Hence why we don't see a galaxy teeming with signs of other civilizations.

We just made this gasoline shit that makes these wheels go vroom and went to town because fuck it wheee! What could happen?! "herp derp if we didn't humanity wouldn't be 9 billion strong!" Oh you mean our numbers would still such that the planet could sustainably support our species? Can't have that amirite?

Burn it down and build something sustainable is our only slim chance, but don't worry, we'll fail at that too. The Earth will eventually recover and go back to the drawing board though. It's recovered from worse than us, even mistakes of evolution that were worse than us, we're just the inverse of the Permian extinction event, caused by carbon storing trees that at the time had no mechanism for efficient decomposition. I take comfort in that. It almost lets me forgive my species for being the fucking worst, because maybe we're just a fact of a large enough ecosystem over time. You can't blame a metastatic tumor for what it does, it's in its nature.

I think Occupy was really interesting, and part of the reason was the lack of a clear and actionable message

I fully agree that the best and most effective protest movements are those with clear goals and demands, and Occupy wasn't that

What it managed to do really effectively was bring all kinds of people and ideologies together - there were the active leftists and anarchists, but also liberals and the middle class and all sorts. I've read articles and accounts that talk of just every kind of person spending time in that main/original camp, and it spawned a lot of similar events here in the UK

Ultimately it had the same kind of energy as the 'If you want it, war is over' billboards of the late 60s. And absolutely thats frustrating from an activist p.o.v

But on the other hand, it did in a lot of ways shift public perspective. I'd stop short of saying it changed the paradigm, but it definitely contributed to an anti-neoliberal, anti-free-market normalization

So yeah, idk. It didn't really achieve anything; the issues it tried to tackle are still omni-present. But maybe it did do something in some hard to quantify, nebulous ways. Its interesting at least 🤷‍♀️

But yeah really not a blueprint of an effective protest in a majority of ways

Okay, start in local election. Vote in every single one of them and get all your friends/people you know/anybody around you to participate to. Nothing changes until we start at the bottom. There are usually bills and such up that provides funding to schools and all other things. The key is mostly old people turn out for these. We have to start there.

Another thing we could do is try to raise the pay for all local offices. Usually only the already wealthy can even think about taking these cause the pay is so abysmal a high school student would reject it. If we change that we can begin to put our people in the grass roots and enact change locally, strengthening our cause to enact change nationally. This is the path to ranked choice. Its not easy.

Once we get people actually able to participate things will change. But this entire machine is set up so the only fuckers with time and will to vote are retired old conservatives.

Not if you destroy all the computers that store their ego scores/power, and that is far more essential. You just have to destroy enough servers and redundancies to make them people again. Then they don't even matter, and can go off and die from being sheltered fancy lads and lasses their whole lives having to navigate a real world.

Their power is stored in bank and capital market records. Global financial systems and their redundancies need to be smashed to pieces and burned. We need to wipe the filth of their scam away. Getting them would just leave their power to their nepo babies and grand babies, taught at private schools from birth to see us as their livestock. That wouldn't solve anything. Their record of wealth must be destroyed, and that means destroying all records of wealth. That is the cudgel they pass down generationally to beat us over the head with.

The billionaires can't tie their own shoes without their cash machines and the lackeys they buy. We need to reset the Score to 0 for everyone, or they will continue to control us. No fair allocation can be discerned by this fucked global economy scam for anyone, as it was rigged from the start.

Don't worry though, we won't do anything except continue to destroy our own habitat to further enrich them. We need revolution, and that revolution's most important soldiers would need to be talented analysts that can identify where the data and its redundancies are physically stored.

Bro, wtf are you talking about. Billionaires are the entirety of wall street.

Eg, Bezos on the come-up worked specifically on dark pool

Do you think he used that knowledge to keeps his hands out of wall street or short his competitors into the ground?

Yes, there's people in this very post calling the idea of using force to end the capitalist's reign of destruction of our only, shared, communal habitat a "tantrum."

Maybe they think sucking up will get them a bunker invite, who knows.