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[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 42 points 2 years ago (2 children) we need to get religion out of our society, it causes nothing but problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You don't understand. This old book told me all the answers to life's mysteries. WoOoOooo it's infallible. God it would be funny/sad if someone found a copy of Mike Pences auto biography 10,000 years after some cataclysm destroyed society. Than they started worshiping it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) WoOoOooo You said it wrong. You failed your attempt at conversion. Wololo. Wololo. Wololo. Welcome to the Huns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why are my clothes red? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut, Poof there goes your army. Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago* (3 children) These kind of "Christians" are about as christian as the people from Sodom. That doesn't make it right to fuck things up for everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, that's a no true Scotsman fallacy. It doesn't matter if they aren't Christ-like. Many, many Christians, including clergy and even pontiffs have committed atrocities. They still worshiped Christ, making them Christians. If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren't Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren't Christians, the Conquistadors weren't Christians, etc. I don't think that's what you intend, but that is the problem with suggesting people who are not Christlike are not Christians. Otherwise, we need to invent a new religion and put a huge percentage of people from the last 2000 years who thought they were called Christians into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago They are fascists. Fascist christians vs christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you read the fallacy you'd realize that you fell into the false fallacy fallacy. To quote your linked article: No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric. There is plenty of countries with a christian background and still majority christian population, that wouldn't even think to discuss such absurd policies. American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. Much of their nutjobbery is specific to them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. No one said they were. They aren't. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don't like that it is the same as yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc All of the above are Catholic, and the vast majority of Christians I know would agree that they aren't Christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it's also anecdotal. Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [+] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I've been thinking of them as antichristian. Not as in against Christianity, but as in antichrist ...ian. From what I've heard the whole idea of the antichrist is supposed to be that Christians love the guy even though the guy goes against all of the lessons of Jesus, but he does the performative stuff. That sounds like what I see there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Christianity is an evil ideology, and they are acting as christians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) You don't understand. This old book told me all the answers to life's mysteries. WoOoOooo it's infallible. God it would be funny/sad if someone found a copy of Mike Pences auto biography 10,000 years after some cataclysm destroyed society. Than they started worshiping it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) WoOoOooo You said it wrong. You failed your attempt at conversion. Wololo. Wololo. Wololo. Welcome to the Huns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why are my clothes red? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut, Poof there goes your army. Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) WoOoOooo You said it wrong. You failed your attempt at conversion. Wololo. Wololo. Wololo. Welcome to the Huns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why are my clothes red? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut, Poof there goes your army. Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why are my clothes red? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut, Poof there goes your army. Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut, Poof there goes your army. Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago* (3 children) These kind of "Christians" are about as christian as the people from Sodom. That doesn't make it right to fuck things up for everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, that's a no true Scotsman fallacy. It doesn't matter if they aren't Christ-like. Many, many Christians, including clergy and even pontiffs have committed atrocities. They still worshiped Christ, making them Christians. If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren't Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren't Christians, the Conquistadors weren't Christians, etc. I don't think that's what you intend, but that is the problem with suggesting people who are not Christlike are not Christians. Otherwise, we need to invent a new religion and put a huge percentage of people from the last 2000 years who thought they were called Christians into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago They are fascists. Fascist christians vs christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you read the fallacy you'd realize that you fell into the false fallacy fallacy. To quote your linked article: No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric. There is plenty of countries with a christian background and still majority christian population, that wouldn't even think to discuss such absurd policies. American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. Much of their nutjobbery is specific to them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. No one said they were. They aren't. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don't like that it is the same as yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc All of the above are Catholic, and the vast majority of Christians I know would agree that they aren't Christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it's also anecdotal. Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [+] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I've been thinking of them as antichristian. Not as in against Christianity, but as in antichrist ...ian. From what I've heard the whole idea of the antichrist is supposed to be that Christians love the guy even though the guy goes against all of the lessons of Jesus, but he does the performative stuff. That sounds like what I see there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Christianity is an evil ideology, and they are acting as christians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sorry, that's a no true Scotsman fallacy. It doesn't matter if they aren't Christ-like. Many, many Christians, including clergy and even pontiffs have committed atrocities. They still worshiped Christ, making them Christians. If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren't Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren't Christians, the Conquistadors weren't Christians, etc. I don't think that's what you intend, but that is the problem with suggesting people who are not Christlike are not Christians. Otherwise, we need to invent a new religion and put a huge percentage of people from the last 2000 years who thought they were called Christians into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago They are fascists. Fascist christians vs christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you read the fallacy you'd realize that you fell into the false fallacy fallacy. To quote your linked article: No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric. There is plenty of countries with a christian background and still majority christian population, that wouldn't even think to discuss such absurd policies. American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. Much of their nutjobbery is specific to them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. No one said they were. They aren't. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don't like that it is the same as yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc All of the above are Catholic, and the vast majority of Christians I know would agree that they aren't Christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it's also anecdotal. Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [+] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago They are fascists. Fascist christians vs christians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you read the fallacy you'd realize that you fell into the false fallacy fallacy. To quote your linked article: No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric. There is plenty of countries with a christian background and still majority christian population, that wouldn't even think to discuss such absurd policies. American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. Much of their nutjobbery is specific to them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. No one said they were. They aren't. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don't like that it is the same as yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. No one said they were. They aren't. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don't like that it is the same as yours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc All of the above are Catholic, and the vast majority of Christians I know would agree that they aren't Christian. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it's also anecdotal. Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [+] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it's also anecdotal. Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I've been thinking of them as antichristian. Not as in against Christianity, but as in antichrist ...ian. From what I've heard the whole idea of the antichrist is supposed to be that Christians love the guy even though the guy goes against all of the lessons of Jesus, but he does the performative stuff. That sounds like what I see there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Christianity is an evil ideology, and they are acting as christians. permalink fedilink source parent