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[–] 20 points 2 years ago (30 children)

It's common courtesy to post the plain text of a paywalled article.

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  • [–] [M] 16 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    We've started asking users not to do this. No issues with posting an archive link, though.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Why in the world would you ask people to stop cercomventing a pay wall

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    There's no need to be rude.

    I'm not asking people not to circumvent paywalls. In fact, if you reread my comment, I recommended the user leave an archive link, which is a method of bypassing paywalls that doesn't involve posting the full contents of the article to this site.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

    Probably because it could raise copyright issues for Beehaw since Beehaw would be hosting the article.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    At some point we have to ask oursevles what is more important IP law, or dessiminating information.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Lemmy was founded on the idea that different instances can decide questions like this for themselves.

    It seems that Beehaw has chosen one direction, but there may be other instances out there that have chosen another direction.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Still, asking oneself is part of that system.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    Maybe, but users from other instances would be lowest opinions I would expect the admins to consider. I would expect mods, financial contributers, and users registered to this instance to have a far greater day in how this instance is run.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    so there's just no answer as to why we can't paste the text?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    There was an answer from a mod, they don't want to infringe on the copyright here.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Unfortunately there's another problem with archive.is / archive.ph / archive.today . Their owner has some beef with Cloudflare DNS and returns bogus results to them so anyone using 1.1.1.1 as DNS can't visit them.

    The Cloudflare side of the story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 The archive side: https://twitter.com/archiveis/status/1018691421182791680

    Note that that discussion was from 2019 but the situation was never resolved and the issue persists to this day.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Copy pasting entire articles is discouraged. It is preferable to share a link to an archive website such as this: https://archive.is/5UPAI

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Also, you can convert it to pig latin and post that verbatim. Eventually we're going to have to interpret copyright term in diverging frames of reference and that's gonna be an interesting lawsuit hearing.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Common courtesy is to not even link to paywalled articles... The publisher has already made it clear they are not interested in public awareness of their content.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I hate paywalls as much as the next guy but when I think about it from the publisher's protective I really don't see a way to be sustainable in this environment without a paywall. I'm sure the writers mostly want their articles read but they also want (and deserve) to be paid for their work. How do you do that if, like you imply, the content needs to be completely free for everyone to access? And I'll bet you use adblock too (I sure do) making it even more impossible.

    I don't know how this shit works but the way you frame it isn't it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Take payment for your articles, but don't go after anyone who doesn't pay. Effectively, honor system. Let the piracy market world exist, and have faith that it won't completely override the people who want to pay.

    If millions of people read your stuff without any of them converting to payers, fuck 'em. Pearls before swine. They can pay for their content unconsciously, through ads, and enjoy the kind of writing that gets them.

    If I wanted to make a living publishing my writing, I think this is the model I'd use. I write enough as a hobby. I'd only want to let that turn into a source of income, if it didn't come with the necessity of meeting with lawyers regularly to go after my readers. "Suggested donation: $1", and I wouldn't quit my day job until those suggested donations were piling up huge.

    But that's me. My chosen career isn't writing, and I'm just a hobbyist. Maybe it's more of a life or death feeling to them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Yet these companies do allow Google et al to index their stuff, otherwise the paywall bypass addons, archive.ph etc wouldn't work. They want their cake and eat it. It's super annoying to find something on Google and then be hit with a paywall. Totally bait and switch.

    If there weren't such great paywall-bypassing plugins I'd want a plugin that removes paywall sites from Google results, Lemmy submissions etc.

    Also you really can't expect a user to subscribe to a full subscription to read a handful articles a month.

    At least offer a once off small payment but almost nobody does that.

    And I'll bet you use adblock too (I sure do) making it even more impossible.

    Yes though the tracking is the most important reason there. If they just used untargeted ads it wouldn't be such a problem.

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  • [+] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It's copyright infringement to do so. No need getting the Beehaw admins in trouble; Google paywall bypassing tools and read away.

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