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[–] 196 points 2 years ago (43 children)

I must admit, "Linux becomes the refuge of luddites" was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.

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  • [–] 97 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Huh? Isn't this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?

    Don't think it's much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.

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  • [+] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it's really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it's even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft's little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It's a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven't been on previously has it. Now, I'd wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, "I'll suck your dick" energy they have when someone installs Chrome.

    Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they're mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10's entire lifetime (I think it's there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people's muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won't, because they aren't confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they'll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they've been doing for over a decade. It's yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it's different now for no reason.

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  • [+] 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (26 children)
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

    Come back with your Wayland ad when there's something like CWM or FVWM for it.

    It's simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won't change that.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Literally, YOU right now.

    I'm improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don't care about you in particular.

    Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.

    Wrong.

    Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.

    I don't use HDR and I don't care. Just like you don't care about what I use.

    its actually maintainable and expandable.

    Yes, I'm sure somewhere 10 years after I'll use it after it's been finally expanded to something usable.

    I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.

    Too bad

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)
  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.

    I can send you my FVWM config and hear how are you going to achieve that.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)
  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    with either DWL, Hyprland, or possibly Sway,

    Do these things allow me to define functions and to call them on focus change, on windowshade, on iconification, on other events? Can I evaluate text returned by a command spawned in those as part of my config, at any moment? Can these functions differentiate between windows by mask? By state? BTW, can I have custom states? Can I have conditionals there? Schedule those functions? Change that schedule?

    Just the same way you’d convert those same configs to an i3 & DWM equivalent.

    I wouldn't. These are different things for a different workflow.

    All the features are there

    Where there?

    I know you are not an adult.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Yes

    OK, that's my config: https://pastebin.com/AFLe2x8N (messy, but not too much). Until you replicate it for something under Wayland, I don't care.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don't care about this sort of shit and it's the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I don't know why they devolve back to tribalism. I just installed the thing and the programs I had to use and just...kept using it since I didn't want to pirate windows xd. No need to shout to others what's my favorite fake non Unix distro or anything.

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    That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for "neo-Luddites" anyway. I don't find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.

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