▲ 74 ▼ How do you know if protests in a country are actual protests or just western backed color revolution protests? (hexbear.net) submitted 2 years ago by Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net 79 comments fedilink hide all child comments like a general litmus test or something
[+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (21 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (6 children) pronoun push I don't want to detract from the main line of discussion here, but I find this to be a weird hangup. It's been a normal thing since at least Facebook's founding for social media sites to list the user's gender. I kind of wish there was a more elegant solution in broadly-understood culture, but I think listing how the user would like to be referred to if you discuss them in the third person is, if anything, far less invasive with labeling than the common alternatives (including not including such information, which produces endless little worthless discursive circles of "actually I'm not a he" from assuming everyone on the internet is a man). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) Maybe this is insensitive, but being misgendered on an anon online forum, open to the public, is not a big deal To people who have spent their entire life being misgendered, it is A single moment of positivity can outshine half a dozen moments of negativity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) us to get along and treat each other as humans This begins with acknowledging that some people don't fit into a neat binary category, if they even identify with the spectrum at all The point isn't to form cliques, the point is acceptance. If one claims to support trans rights, but then misgenders that person and refuses to acknowledge how they would like to be referred, then one is not supportive of trans rights Be better permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (12 children) Well, I’m here to be rational and have a nice discussion. Maybe we can work through that? If you don’t mind me asking: what do you ID as politically? Believe it or not we won’t ban you just for not being marxist-Leninist. We tolerate all sorts of liberals. What do you mean by pronoun push? Hexbear had a pronoun field, yes. We respect the pronouns people ask us to use, yes. We are never going to force you to use or ID pronouns for yourself. Our site explored has “none/use name” as an option. I personally use the comrade option, because I think that’s nifty and wish it existed irl. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago I’ll fight you. We shall use foil fencing rules with scrolls of Kapital Vol. 1 rolled up like swords as we duel. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* It matters to people like me, who are trans and worked very hard for our gender identities. In addition, it helps to combat the assumption that everyone on the internet is male; which can be really harmful for people who aren't. Also it scares people who aren't LGBT friendly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) How do you understand those terms? I get the feeling we understand them very differently. As for the second part: we insist upon them being visible because that’s the only way to guarantee nobody is accidentally misgendered. We take the well-being of ALL our comrades seriously here. If you feel similarly about taking care for those around you, maybe you should stick around a while and see that whatever you consider “communism” is mostly just truly caring about the vulnerable. That’s what we are here for, mostly. Caring about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Not sure what I'm allowed to comment, mods here keep removing my shit. Ah well so much for all that permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I've a question for ye, then, in regards to foreign policy? is there such thing as the West, in political terms? If so, is there also the Global South? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) There isn't a general term for the "global south". But when I say Western you know exactly which countries I'm referring too. South would probably either be "Latin countries" or "Sub Saharan Countries" depending on which side of the globe you're looking at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) The West includes Australia et New Zealand, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Aaaand they’re gone permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (6 children) pronoun push I don't want to detract from the main line of discussion here, but I find this to be a weird hangup. It's been a normal thing since at least Facebook's founding for social media sites to list the user's gender. I kind of wish there was a more elegant solution in broadly-understood culture, but I think listing how the user would like to be referred to if you discuss them in the third person is, if anything, far less invasive with labeling than the common alternatives (including not including such information, which produces endless little worthless discursive circles of "actually I'm not a he" from assuming everyone on the internet is a man). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) Maybe this is insensitive, but being misgendered on an anon online forum, open to the public, is not a big deal To people who have spent their entire life being misgendered, it is A single moment of positivity can outshine half a dozen moments of negativity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) us to get along and treat each other as humans This begins with acknowledging that some people don't fit into a neat binary category, if they even identify with the spectrum at all The point isn't to form cliques, the point is acceptance. If one claims to support trans rights, but then misgenders that person and refuses to acknowledge how they would like to be referred, then one is not supportive of trans rights Be better permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) Maybe this is insensitive, but being misgendered on an anon online forum, open to the public, is not a big deal To people who have spent their entire life being misgendered, it is A single moment of positivity can outshine half a dozen moments of negativity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) us to get along and treat each other as humans This begins with acknowledging that some people don't fit into a neat binary category, if they even identify with the spectrum at all The point isn't to form cliques, the point is acceptance. If one claims to support trans rights, but then misgenders that person and refuses to acknowledge how they would like to be referred, then one is not supportive of trans rights Be better permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) Maybe this is insensitive, but being misgendered on an anon online forum, open to the public, is not a big deal To people who have spent their entire life being misgendered, it is A single moment of positivity can outshine half a dozen moments of negativity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) us to get along and treat each other as humans This begins with acknowledging that some people don't fit into a neat binary category, if they even identify with the spectrum at all The point isn't to form cliques, the point is acceptance. If one claims to support trans rights, but then misgenders that person and refuses to acknowledge how they would like to be referred, then one is not supportive of trans rights Be better permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) us to get along and treat each other as humans This begins with acknowledging that some people don't fit into a neat binary category, if they even identify with the spectrum at all The point isn't to form cliques, the point is acceptance. If one claims to support trans rights, but then misgenders that person and refuses to acknowledge how they would like to be referred, then one is not supportive of trans rights Be better permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) us to get along and treat each other as humans This begins with acknowledging that some people don't fit into a neat binary category, if they even identify with the spectrum at all The point isn't to form cliques, the point is acceptance. If one claims to support trans rights, but then misgenders that person and refuses to acknowledge how they would like to be referred, then one is not supportive of trans rights Be better permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (12 children) Well, I’m here to be rational and have a nice discussion. Maybe we can work through that? If you don’t mind me asking: what do you ID as politically? Believe it or not we won’t ban you just for not being marxist-Leninist. We tolerate all sorts of liberals. What do you mean by pronoun push? Hexbear had a pronoun field, yes. We respect the pronouns people ask us to use, yes. We are never going to force you to use or ID pronouns for yourself. Our site explored has “none/use name” as an option. I personally use the comrade option, because I think that’s nifty and wish it existed irl. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago I’ll fight you. We shall use foil fencing rules with scrolls of Kapital Vol. 1 rolled up like swords as we duel. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* It matters to people like me, who are trans and worked very hard for our gender identities. In addition, it helps to combat the assumption that everyone on the internet is male; which can be really harmful for people who aren't. Also it scares people who aren't LGBT friendly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) How do you understand those terms? I get the feeling we understand them very differently. As for the second part: we insist upon them being visible because that’s the only way to guarantee nobody is accidentally misgendered. We take the well-being of ALL our comrades seriously here. If you feel similarly about taking care for those around you, maybe you should stick around a while and see that whatever you consider “communism” is mostly just truly caring about the vulnerable. That’s what we are here for, mostly. Caring about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Not sure what I'm allowed to comment, mods here keep removing my shit. Ah well so much for all that permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I've a question for ye, then, in regards to foreign policy? is there such thing as the West, in political terms? If so, is there also the Global South? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) There isn't a general term for the "global south". But when I say Western you know exactly which countries I'm referring too. South would probably either be "Latin countries" or "Sub Saharan Countries" depending on which side of the globe you're looking at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) The West includes Australia et New Zealand, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago I’ll fight you. We shall use foil fencing rules with scrolls of Kapital Vol. 1 rolled up like swords as we duel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago I’ll fight you. We shall use foil fencing rules with scrolls of Kapital Vol. 1 rolled up like swords as we duel. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* It matters to people like me, who are trans and worked very hard for our gender identities. In addition, it helps to combat the assumption that everyone on the internet is male; which can be really harmful for people who aren't. Also it scares people who aren't LGBT friendly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) How do you understand those terms? I get the feeling we understand them very differently. As for the second part: we insist upon them being visible because that’s the only way to guarantee nobody is accidentally misgendered. We take the well-being of ALL our comrades seriously here. If you feel similarly about taking care for those around you, maybe you should stick around a while and see that whatever you consider “communism” is mostly just truly caring about the vulnerable. That’s what we are here for, mostly. Caring about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Not sure what I'm allowed to comment, mods here keep removing my shit. Ah well so much for all that permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I've a question for ye, then, in regards to foreign policy? is there such thing as the West, in political terms? If so, is there also the Global South? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) There isn't a general term for the "global south". But when I say Western you know exactly which countries I'm referring too. South would probably either be "Latin countries" or "Sub Saharan Countries" depending on which side of the globe you're looking at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) The West includes Australia et New Zealand, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* It matters to people like me, who are trans and worked very hard for our gender identities. In addition, it helps to combat the assumption that everyone on the internet is male; which can be really harmful for people who aren't. Also it scares people who aren't LGBT friendly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) How do you understand those terms? I get the feeling we understand them very differently. As for the second part: we insist upon them being visible because that’s the only way to guarantee nobody is accidentally misgendered. We take the well-being of ALL our comrades seriously here. If you feel similarly about taking care for those around you, maybe you should stick around a while and see that whatever you consider “communism” is mostly just truly caring about the vulnerable. That’s what we are here for, mostly. Caring about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Not sure what I'm allowed to comment, mods here keep removing my shit. Ah well so much for all that permalink fedilink source parent [+] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago Not sure what I'm allowed to comment, mods here keep removing my shit. Ah well so much for all that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I've a question for ye, then, in regards to foreign policy? is there such thing as the West, in political terms? If so, is there also the Global South? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) There isn't a general term for the "global south". But when I say Western you know exactly which countries I'm referring too. South would probably either be "Latin countries" or "Sub Saharan Countries" depending on which side of the globe you're looking at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) The West includes Australia et New Zealand, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) There isn't a general term for the "global south". But when I say Western you know exactly which countries I'm referring too. South would probably either be "Latin countries" or "Sub Saharan Countries" depending on which side of the globe you're looking at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) The West includes Australia et New Zealand, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) The West includes Australia et New Zealand, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes lol, West in this context is less of a direction and more of a political ideological culture permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Ah okey... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Aaaand they’re gone permalink fedilink source parent