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Elon is fine in comparison; he's far less of a problem than Meta is.
The platform at this point may as well already be doomed because of people like you.
Really - it's like I'm reading the posts of Reddit manchildren who will forever retain their virginity because they're incapable of understanding how things actually get done.
I guess you can't expect much these days.
What's going to happen next? Meta dominates the platform, you and the rest of your kind "protest", then you fuck off somewhere else and pretend you "won", while sucking each other off only for a repeat to happen sometime later?
Are you going to wear your fedoras?
I loathe both Musk simps and Zuck simps equally.
A pox on all of your houses.
I simp for neither - try again
True, but if we slowly move to foss alternatives like lemmy, peertube, mastodon and more(bonus points for self-hostability and federation across instances), it will be for the long term good, undoing the harm social media has done for decades. It will be like the forums and usenet era all over again
I look at threads as a net positive right now but I don't trust it. I see only upsides and no downsides. In a free as in free beer market, this is either a loss leader, scam, or a tactic to get normies hooked and then cut off ties with the ActivityPub.
It isn't positive at all.
If you aren't willing to understand why, I don't know what else to say.
I wonder why you have that stance. Can you please explain?
It integrates with mastodon and other activitypub solutions(atleast as long as they're not defederated en-masse like facebook is threatening) and caters to normies, essentially making activitypub mainstream. It might end up a "not like the other normies" hellhole like reddit, but the concept of federation makes me feel hopeful.
Control goes from big tech to small instance owners...
As for normies, control goes from big tech to big tech as a representative of celebrities on all instances
Some might even switch.
I've already gone into this elsewhere. You'll find it if you scroll through my comment history, which isn't very long.
You can also read about the "enshittification" word that's been trending, or how this dynamic is nothing new and how the outcome is predictable given events that happened a decade ago with Google and XMPP.
At some point, history just repeats itself. Meta is a fucking terrible company that offers no real benefit to humanity, and will only serve to make things worse.
People like Elon Musk, at the very least, provide narratives that are realistic about what we're up against.
What people (apparently?) don't realize is that Meta is aware of the political landscape, and they're using that to their advantage.
They know that the left is so invested in their hatred of Musk that they'll be welcomed by them, but what the left doesn't realize is that Meta is a Trojan horse.
My opinion is that billionaires shouldn't be billionaires - it should be a crime to have that much wealth.
That said, they obviously do have that much wealth; the world obviously works a certain way and you must accept that if you want to improve things in any real capacity.
People see some billionares die in a sub accident. Yes, it was their fault. Yes, it was incredibly fucking stupid. Yes, the father was a bastard for being so ludicrously careless that he killed himself and his own son.
But they die and we laugh about it and make fun of them because it makes us feel better about ourselves.
And that's a weakness. It's low - undignified and an aspect of the Internet and its humanity that should only be treated with scorn.
Then you have these people hating Spez and what he did to Reddit while literally promoting the exact same inevitable outcome for Lemmy by cheering Threads on.
Where is the coherency? There is none - it's just mob outrage, and that level of incoherency is counter productive.
Slow down. I hear you, but we can just defederate with meta, right? Worst case we set up a new server with how we like stuff incase our server's admins don't want to
Not exactly. Technically that might be true, but what will probably happen is that Meta become so ubiquitos is that they'll influence the landscape such that no one else will want to use a non-Meta instance; that's their goal, after all.
If they could've, they would've. They(social platform companies) have shown time and time again that they can't maintain it. (Facebook's holding on somehow, that's the only exception I know of)
What do you mean?
The enshittification.
It's a tale as old as time. Eventually an open source alternative will come! May take an eternity, but it will come.
I really don't get the recent Elon hate. He has always done some shitty things, like labour issues and I have always called that on.
But free speech is a good ideal and it just screams of sjw controlling the narrative. That's not a good thing, the hate is unjustified lately.
...have you not been keeping up with the news??
Not really.
Starship was really cool. That's about all I have seen. Then he supports free speech which is a real good thing
He wants to fight Zuckerberg which is pretty lame but that's post what I'm talking about