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[–] 127 points 2 years ago (30 children)

One thing I've learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy

I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    "We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it's not safe to live there."

    "What about all the people who can't afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?"

    "Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again."

    The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn't be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists "on an island" doesn't fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Yes but look at the alternative: a country united under far right rule. We suffered for 4 years of that and are looking at another 4 years of it if the dumbass anti-Biden memes are taken seriously by enough sheeple.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (7 children)

    But there's millions of them.

    Even if we don't tolerate them, what should we do with them?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Diffuse sanctions, with exile being used in extreme cases

    But remember that hierarchical systems and states will always devolve into fascism given time, and the number of people calling for fascism would greatly decrease, given a different system

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah, let's make Texas into a communist heaven!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    My friends from Texas would strongly approve

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    How do all those immigrants move, though? Are they all secretly rich? Or are you, in fact, just comfortable enough not to want to move?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Are you comparing fleeing from war and poverty to moving to some other state because you care about abortions being available?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    He's not talking in good faith. I'm married to a first-gen immigrant from Mexico. I can tell you how "they" move. Unless they're rich out the gate, in which case there's a completely different process, they save up money for years, ask for money from relatives, live in extreme discomfort, and then eventually are able to move.

    Once established, it's not like "they" can pick up at any time and relocate. Now they're trapped in three or four jobs working the entire day, with still barely enough money for rent and food.

    Eventually, some of "them" might be fortunate enough to be able to afford the massive investment of time and money for residency and maybe even citizenship.

    Maybe even some of "them" will fall in love and get married and start a beautiful life together.

    But maybe "they" and even their spouse have misfortune. Healthcare can totally collapse you. Maybe "they" and their spouse save up money for years, but it's never enough. "They" have got PTSD from their prior life experiences, and their spouse develops health problems. Neither of them want these things to happen, but one ends up in and out of psych wards and psychiatrists' offices, and the other ends up shitting himself for more than five years, finally after thousands and thousands of dollars discovers he has celiac, but has also fucked other things up in the meantime by developing addiction to alcohol and opiods, which are so easy to become addicted to in this society. So their big plans to move to the big city keep falling through. "They" might lie awake at night feeling tremendous guilt about this, on top of everything else, even though it's not "their" fault.

    That's how "they" move, and that's how many of "them" might not be able to just fucking relocate like some privileged neckbeard from lemmy.world suggests.

    I know many other immigrants and refugees. I know many similar cases.

    TL;DR "They" are the same as "us"

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They don't move, either. I'm married to a first-gen immigrant. Getting here is a massive undertaking, but then?

    And what do you mean, all "those" immigrants?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    They move at least once in order to be immigrants, from their home country to the foreign country they now live in.

    I mean literally every single immigrant because that's the definition of an immigrant.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    rich enough to move

    Just so we're clear, you're simultaneously too rich to move (like a Guatemalan farmer) and too poor to move (like a IT graduate)?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Is it possible for you to rephrase that comment? Don't quite understand what you are getting at.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    To make it abundantly clear, for most people on earth, and for most of human history, being poor was and is not a blocker to moving. In fact it's a great enabler. Comfortable middle income people don't move.

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