I find that i can spot AI Images fairly easily these days, especially the sort of fantastical tableaus that get posted to the various AI communities around lemmy. I'm tired of seeing them; it all looks the same to me. Was wondering if im being too sensitive, or if other people are similarly bored of the constant unimaginative AI spam...

For the record, I block any explicit AI Art communities that pop up in the feed, but there are more every day...

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[–] 11 points 2 years ago* (51 children)

I can’t stand anything AI generated, but people are free to post it wherever they want. I just block/filter it when I see it.

I’ll also add: it’s not art. No one punching a sentence into a text field is EVER going to be called an artist by me, nor will their heartless images ever be called art.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Funnily enough people said the same thing when photography was first invented ("No one pressing a button and getting a perfect representation of the real world will EVER be called an artist by me, nor will their heartless imitations be called art.")

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I wonder how often this has happened in history. Imagine the first person making a handprint on a cave wall being told that it only counts as art if you make stacks of animal bones.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But even this application is limited to the mere reduction of copying of works previously engraved or drawn; for, however ingenious the process or surprising the results of photography, it must be remembered that this art only aspires to copy, it cannot invent. The camera, it is true, is a most accurate copyist, but it is no substitute for original thought or invention.

    -The Crayon, 1855

    In particular, art historians are wary of the "high-tech" look of computer-generated images, and they tend to keep away from them for that reason alone. In a sense, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy: as long as the majority of art historians shy away from computer art, the historical discourse surrounding the new images will remain an impoverished "ghetto"... ... It is true, I would point out, that any new technology seems at first to have an overwhelming, often irrelevant meaning that comes from the peculiarities of its medium. When prints first appeared in the fifteenth century, they had such a different "look" that they were segregated from more traditional media.

    -James Elkins, Art Institute of Chicago, 1993

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Freaken crazy. I admit I was being a bit cheeky, I didn't think anyone ever wrote something like that and published it. It just feels so obvious, of course photography and computer generated art is art. Thanks for doing the homework!

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  • [+] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)
  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    It’s not art. Accept it or don’t. I don’t care, but it’s not up for debate.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Why isn't it up for debate? Pretty sure every idea can be challenged. Maybe it isn't up for debate because you don't want to exert the effort to defend your viewpoint and want us to take you on faith

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Punching a short sentence into a text field and expecting to be called an artists is the same as asking a computer to write a song for you and saying you’re a musician.

    It’s an affront to art, and cringey as fuck when these AI “artists” think they’ve accomplished something.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I hope all those traditional artists are paying royalties to the people who invented their instruments and brushes and pencils. I hope they are paying royalties to Monet for being inspired by his work, and to Neaderthal Tregg the first to sharpen a stick, et al.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    Please produce the person who did this. I want a name and a date.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Everyone that creates shit. You want me to name everyone? Check instagram. There’s plenty of these talentless wannabes posting their garbage there.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sorry about your luck, kiddo. Consider this a lesson on not getting what you want.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty typical when something doesn't exist. I should have known from dealing with theists all my life.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    My refusal to answer your stupid question is in no way the proof you needed to make your ridiculous point. I saw your “gotcha” a million miles away kiddo. And it’s dumb. Therefore I am refusing to let you lead the discussion in that direction.

    Oh, and by the way…

    The whole- yu diDn’T aNsWeR me sO tHaT mEaNs i’M riGhT!” trope has never worked on people that actually know that that isn’t how things work. I get that your friends in school kick rocks over shit like that, but it doesn’t work in the real world.

    I’m not obligated to answer dumb questions by immature children trying to create an argument out of my opinion.

    AI isn’t art.

    Deal with it.

    Lastly, how exactly am I a theist? I’d love to know how you made that leap. Should be hilarious.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I don't want to defend current ai art but writing sentences falls under art for me even if they get adapted on their way to the final product.

    Though I also think programmers, knitters... can create art.

    An AI use case I think is OK and is art. Is using your own sketches and ideas and taking them to the finish by filling in the background or coloring/shading it.

    Edit: On another note. Let's look at it from the perspective of an indie game developer using Godot. He programs his game logic finishes his sketches with ai. Generates materials with ai and maybe even 3d models in the future.

    He won't hire artists. So they don't get paid. However he also uses insane amounts of open source libraries written by thousands of programmers. They don't get anything either. If he is kind they get attribution maybe some will even get donations. The indie dev could create something he would not have been able to create without these technologies.

    A big corporation creating AAA games can also cut costs massivly. Absuing the work of artists by using their data without paying. These companies also take from open source and give nothing back.

    I think the abuse of artists that is starting to happen, is very similar to the abuse open source has been suffering for a long time.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (6 children)

    It's very much art, it's just not very good art if it's not well-directed, but you can certainly get there. I don't understand this gatekeeping like it takes anything away from human-generated art. It is, after all, still based on works made by people.

    That said, I've met a couple of artists who could learn a thing or two from the AI stuff. 😅

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    'its not art." But here it is making you talk about it and feel emotions.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I think there can never be a standard definition of art - and that's the beauty of it. Perhaps some broad characteristics, namely that art conveys emotions. Nevertheless, I think it is unfortunately true that creativity has never been accorded the status it deserve in most societies, at least if monetary remuneration is the measure of appreciation, as is the consensus in most societies. Unfortunately, this seems to me to be a persistent social grievance - not the result of a particular technology. For me, technology is first of all value-free - it is not the technical capability that is bad in itself, it is what we make of it.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    For me, technology is first of all value-free -

    North Korea has artillery canisters loaded with bioweapons. If it is all a question of what we make of things what positive thing would you make out of a canister full of anthrax designed to be fit in an artillery gun?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The canister could be used for research into a vaccination.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    How? How can you possibly use an artillery shell for vaccine research? I want to see you do it

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Anthrax is an infection caused by the bacterium Bacillus anthracis. If you had a canister full of that bacterium, you could use it for vaccine research - or as a weapon if you are straight up evil. Why are you asking me random questions?

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