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[–] 274 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.

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  • [–] 114 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.

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  • [–] 123 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You can’t even grab 10:00 and 2:00 on it. Looks like the closest you can get is 4:00 and 8:00

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The only way a yoke would make sense is if it was drive by wire and could vary the ratio of the wheel dynamically depending on speed.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh, I think I would hate that. Variable turning seems so bad for intuition to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    If poorly executed yes. If done right it may be really awesome. Just like your steering gets stiffer at higher speeds. But obviously I never tried it (although I bet you could rig a simulator to test that theory)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    It’s a yoke because top tier race cars use yokes and Elon thinks his teslas are that for some reason. Completely disregarding all the setup and engineering race cars have that make a yoke the more viable option than a wheel…

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  • [+] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    I’m still gobsmacked the Cybertruck is now a thing. Does nobody remember that we were ridiculing the design of that monstrosity 15 years ago?

    Like it disappeared for a while, and now it’s suddenly in production with no changes, nearly two decades later? I feel like I’m from a Mandela universe.

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  • [+] -25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Ever seen what real life F1 car steering “wheels” look like?

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They aren't meant for public roads, just like Teslas.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh absolutely not. Just mentioning it in reference to the way the KITT yoke looks.

    TBF KITT could self drive just fine so he didn’t need a very functional “wheel” heh.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Those are way more sensitive so there is no need to turn hand over hand. The downside is that that sensitivity can be really hard to handle at high speeds.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Couldn’t the sensitivity be adjusted based on the speed? Doing a hard turn during high speed is a very bad idea anyways.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes it could and that is what Lexus is doing.

    https://youtu.be/agMrewRJTow?si=_M55DbNd3I4uUvMu

    But Tesla is not doing that, so there you still have to turn hand over hand even though you don't have a round wheel.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not sure why you got down voted so much. Yeah those “wheels” look horrible. But I guess they are professional drivers. And all those buttons and knobs!!?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Likely assumed I was defending the musk mobile rather than just making conversation. I spose I should have been more explicit.

    F1 racing is a way different type of driving than “normal” driving. Less need for lots of turning the wheel quickly and more need for controlling car features.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

    If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring, assembly steps, A THOUGHT OUT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, another BoM item to build the car/widget, and usually markings that limit its use for other functions (present and planned).

    Tesla can bury controls and change interfaces as much as they like on the main touchscreen, or even add new features. It’s still trash for driver usability except when parked for all the obvious reasons, but hey they get to ‘push’ new features over cellular networks as they’re developed. Y’know, instead of selling a complete product in the first place.

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  • [+] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wiring/PCB header or connector/common data hub yes - but my point was that has to be thought out ahead, and cannot be modified afterwards in the same way touch screens can

    BoM complexity and cross commonality is a challenge in manufacturing. It’s why we see all these ‘global platforms’ among automakers trying to build one unibody core subframe for all or most of their cars, adding different panels and roof assembly for an SUV or sedan respectively. Fewer parts to stock and build is a cost saving (for the manufacturer, don’t expect them to pass that saving along) - same with tactile controls.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wiring/PCB header or connector/common data hub yes - but my point was that has to be thought out ahead, and cannot be modified afterwards in the same way touch screens can

    BoM complexity and cross commonality is a challenge in manufacturing. It’s why we see all these ‘global platforms’ among automakers trying to build one unibody core subframe for all or most of their cars, adding different panels and roof assembly for an SUV or sedan respectively. Fewer parts to stock and build is a cost saving (for the manufacturer, don’t expect them to pass that saving along) - same with tactile controls.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago*

    It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

    Not really as far as the touch controls on the steering wheel goes. The icons are static and can't be changed, so their functionality is kind of tied to the icon.

    As for configuring additional controls for them, it's exactly the same as if they were physical buttons, it's all a wiring harness going to the computer either way, what that computer does with the input signal is not any less configurable for a physical button. The limiting factor is the static icon, not whether it's touch/tactile.

    In regards to selling incomplete products, this is unfortunately not even limited to Tesla. All car manufacturers release several updates and bugfixes for new cars, they just can't send them OTA, they need to get them in the shop. My colleague's VW ID4 has been in the shop for no less than 3 SW updates to fix various bugs and add basic features such as battery preheating for DC charging, it fucking shipped without that!

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