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The first EV with a lithium-free sodium battery hits the road in January (www.engadget.com)
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[–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish they would just say "I don't want one" instead of trying to justify it with myths about lifetime emissions or whatever. It's the same thing with SUVs vs station wagons or hatchbacks- just say "I want the big one" instead of trying to peddle myths about safety or something.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Exactly. They don't actually care or believe anything about the emissions, they just want to demonize anyone who buys one. They just want the biggest trucks possible for god knows all the emotional reasons they have, and feel threatened that EVs may make their emotional support trucks obsolete.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    A peacock sincerely wants to have the biggest and most colorful feathers possible. The fact that they are not useful and likely even counterproductive in its day-to-day life is irrelevant. The want is not fake at all.

    It's easy to imagine the peacock being jealous of some other, better-adapted bird that flies faster and needs to forage less. But since what the peacock WANTS is a big, lustrous, beautiful set of tailfeathers, it can feel better knowing the other bird does not have the things it wants. It can feel better mocking the other bird for its pitiful, puny tail.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Myths? Electric cars are not good for the environment, period, as their manufacture has huge impacts everywhere especially with lithium batteries.

    The important thing that the conservatives miss is that all individual car transportation is horrible for the environment. Only public transit cuts emissions massively. That's why electric cars exist. They're not built to save the environment. They are built to save the car as a concept and means of individual transit. To keep consumers buying more cars and car parts rather than building and investing in public transportation.

    What I find infuriating is how electric car makers lie in their advertising about how eco-friendly their vehicles are. They're not, and they know they're not, and they lie anyways because some people believe it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I don't think that really holds up in a realistic comparison. BEVs are better for the environment. Just not as good as walking, cycling, and mass transit. All of these supply chain analysis commentary about BEVs fail to do an apples to apples lifetime comparison with ICE vehicles. Battery technology and battery recycling will continue to advance as BEV become more mainstream. Battery technology also has significant wider impacts and implications that aren't strictly limited to vehicles.

    The oil industry alone causes tremendous environmental devastation simply extracting oil - not to mention the transportation problem. Large scale raw material extraction is never pretty no matter what the final product is.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Only public transit cuts emissions massively.

    EVs cut lifecycle emissions to about 45%. [UCS][ANL][MIT][IEA]

    Public transit cuts lifecycle emissions to... about 45%. [IEA][AFDC][USDOT]

    Neither is a magic bullet. Both get their asses kicked by bicyles. Both get better with increased passengers per vehicle. Both can be fueled with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both can be manufactured with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both take surprisingly equivalent amounts of steel, aluminum, and glass.

    Public transit offers unique advantages from an urbanist perspective and the liveability of cities, but that's objectively different from emissions reduction.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    The issue in the US is the frankly terrible mass transit system in a lot of smaller towns and rural areas. There is no way we are going to get that infrastructure anytime soon (not saying we shouldn't get it underway, it will just take a while), so getting folks to EVs is a good interim. Plus there will always be people that need cars for specific jobs (my partner does home health as an example). EVs are certainly better for the environment than gas cars, even when you take into account the mining necessary. I'd rather have some progress than an all or nothing approach.

    https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

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