▲ 505 ▼ How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) (ploum.net) submitted 2 years ago by Inductor@feddit.de to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 123 comments fedilink hide all child comments With Meta starting to actually implement ActivityPub, I think it would be a good idea to remind everyone of what they are most likely going to do.
[–] mojo@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (3 children) Meta does not give a shit to absorb the fedi. We are like a thousandth of their size, just a blip on their radar. I have no idea where people get this idea of self importance that Meta cares about their 10 user server. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Banana_man@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) If they didn't why would they develop tools to federate? It's obvious that the threads project was sped up significantly following musk's obliteration of Twitter, so they wouldn't go out of their way to implement such a feature if they didn't have a very specific reason for it. A company's goal is maximization of profit, so don't assume they intend anything else. The activitypub userbase is too small to be a significant addition to their userbase but in this way they can destroy it before it escapes their control. They don't take risks. Mastodon could seriously compete with threads and it's gaining popularity. If one more big boom happens it might be too late to stop the fediverse from competing with meta in the most cost efficient way possible. Do not be lured in by the false sense of security, meta wants us to help maximize their profit. We aren't doing that right now so Meta wants to stop us (or limit us, whatever they deem more profitable) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] APassenger@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) They don't take risks. Quibble: Meta took a huge write off because their metaverse didn't get the reception they hoped. I think they take risks, just calculated ones. And sometimes... A founders ambition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Banana_man@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago It is as you say, but look at the difference. Allowing metaverse to grow is only going to hurt them, while the potential profits from the metaverse could be massive. They deemed it a risk worth taking because of the potential success. Meta won't leave the fate of lemmy up to chance, because they decided we are not very likely to disappear in time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The metaverse (that game) was released before it was done in any way for the marketing hype, but they are still working on the VR headsets. Once those are ready for mass adoption, the metaverse will have a comeback, and a hard one. People love sucking on marketing titties, and that won't be any different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Roblox metaverse best metaverse for now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Meta's involvement is to "poison pill" fediverse if it really starts to take off. Or just outright buy the bigger/best parts and leave the rest wither... permalink fedilink source parent [–] yamanii@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I bet XMPP users were saying the same thing about google talk, maybe try reading the article? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The whole two of them? What good XMPP client is there again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago whatever supports the calyx xmpp/jabber server permalink fedilink source parent [–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might be because of Threads, and Meta seeking to use ActivityPub themselves. I don't disagree with you though; I don't think the fedi is big enough at the moment to register as more than a blip on their radar, as you said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Microsoft was using Embrace Extend, and Destroy against Linux 25 yrs ago when it was a blip compared to MS. This tactic is designed to be used against potential opponents before they become a real threat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minarble@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago It costs peanuts to eliminate a weed in your yard when it first sprouts. It also gets the jump on your neighbours who might be interested in this little weed as well. Also you can’t have unmonetized weeds popping up everywhere they might inject colour and variety into your barren add riddled hellscape. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Banana_man@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) If they didn't why would they develop tools to federate? It's obvious that the threads project was sped up significantly following musk's obliteration of Twitter, so they wouldn't go out of their way to implement such a feature if they didn't have a very specific reason for it. A company's goal is maximization of profit, so don't assume they intend anything else. The activitypub userbase is too small to be a significant addition to their userbase but in this way they can destroy it before it escapes their control. They don't take risks. Mastodon could seriously compete with threads and it's gaining popularity. If one more big boom happens it might be too late to stop the fediverse from competing with meta in the most cost efficient way possible. Do not be lured in by the false sense of security, meta wants us to help maximize their profit. We aren't doing that right now so Meta wants to stop us (or limit us, whatever they deem more profitable) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] APassenger@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) They don't take risks. Quibble: Meta took a huge write off because their metaverse didn't get the reception they hoped. I think they take risks, just calculated ones. And sometimes... A founders ambition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Banana_man@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago It is as you say, but look at the difference. Allowing metaverse to grow is only going to hurt them, while the potential profits from the metaverse could be massive. They deemed it a risk worth taking because of the potential success. Meta won't leave the fate of lemmy up to chance, because they decided we are not very likely to disappear in time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The metaverse (that game) was released before it was done in any way for the marketing hype, but they are still working on the VR headsets. Once those are ready for mass adoption, the metaverse will have a comeback, and a hard one. People love sucking on marketing titties, and that won't be any different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Roblox metaverse best metaverse for now permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Meta's involvement is to "poison pill" fediverse if it really starts to take off. Or just outright buy the bigger/best parts and leave the rest wither... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) They don't take risks. Quibble: Meta took a huge write off because their metaverse didn't get the reception they hoped. I think they take risks, just calculated ones. And sometimes... A founders ambition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Banana_man@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago It is as you say, but look at the difference. Allowing metaverse to grow is only going to hurt them, while the potential profits from the metaverse could be massive. They deemed it a risk worth taking because of the potential success. Meta won't leave the fate of lemmy up to chance, because they decided we are not very likely to disappear in time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The metaverse (that game) was released before it was done in any way for the marketing hype, but they are still working on the VR headsets. Once those are ready for mass adoption, the metaverse will have a comeback, and a hard one. People love sucking on marketing titties, and that won't be any different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Roblox metaverse best metaverse for now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Banana_man@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago It is as you say, but look at the difference. Allowing metaverse to grow is only going to hurt them, while the potential profits from the metaverse could be massive. They deemed it a risk worth taking because of the potential success. Meta won't leave the fate of lemmy up to chance, because they decided we are not very likely to disappear in time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The metaverse (that game) was released before it was done in any way for the marketing hype, but they are still working on the VR headsets. Once those are ready for mass adoption, the metaverse will have a comeback, and a hard one. People love sucking on marketing titties, and that won't be any different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Roblox metaverse best metaverse for now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Roblox metaverse best metaverse for now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Meta's involvement is to "poison pill" fediverse if it really starts to take off. Or just outright buy the bigger/best parts and leave the rest wither... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I bet XMPP users were saying the same thing about google talk, maybe try reading the article? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The whole two of them? What good XMPP client is there again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago whatever supports the calyx xmpp/jabber server permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojo@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The whole two of them? What good XMPP client is there again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago whatever supports the calyx xmpp/jabber server permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago whatever supports the calyx xmpp/jabber server permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might be because of Threads, and Meta seeking to use ActivityPub themselves. I don't disagree with you though; I don't think the fedi is big enough at the moment to register as more than a blip on their radar, as you said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Microsoft was using Embrace Extend, and Destroy against Linux 25 yrs ago when it was a blip compared to MS. This tactic is designed to be used against potential opponents before they become a real threat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minarble@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago It costs peanuts to eliminate a weed in your yard when it first sprouts. It also gets the jump on your neighbours who might be interested in this little weed as well. Also you can’t have unmonetized weeds popping up everywhere they might inject colour and variety into your barren add riddled hellscape. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Microsoft was using Embrace Extend, and Destroy against Linux 25 yrs ago when it was a blip compared to MS. This tactic is designed to be used against potential opponents before they become a real threat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minarble@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago It costs peanuts to eliminate a weed in your yard when it first sprouts. It also gets the jump on your neighbours who might be interested in this little weed as well. Also you can’t have unmonetized weeds popping up everywhere they might inject colour and variety into your barren add riddled hellscape. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago It costs peanuts to eliminate a weed in your yard when it first sprouts. It also gets the jump on your neighbours who might be interested in this little weed as well. Also you can’t have unmonetized weeds popping up everywhere they might inject colour and variety into your barren add riddled hellscape. permalink fedilink source parent