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Top Russian court bans LGBT movement as 'extremist' (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I gave you a very in detail explanation as to why this has happened, asking how this helps anyone is honestly a bad faith question; no one is suggesting these actions against LGBT+ people help anyone, we are saying that if they are to be reversed the war has to stop, as it is the primary driver of these laws being enacted.

It is not a support of Russians actions against LGBT+ people, it is a support of the working class in Donbas; we are killing them, we should stop that if we want them to share our social values.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I agree with you somewhat. But Poland has offered no such analysis, then deflected with the topic of the Donbas. I posed that question to him because I found using the suffering of the Donbas as a cover and justification was vile.

    And who is “we” in this situation? Despite having travelled and lived between America and Russia, along with some of the west I do not identify with that. I am Belarusian by blood and have lived in Russia for years. That’s why I despise this, and now fear for my life. I have already faced hate crimes and discrimination, and been disowned by much of my family for being LGBT.

    I cannot support this country and risk my life for the “hope” it’ll get better after the war.

    This isn’t the example of the Middle East, lgbt acceptance used to be much higher during the Union years, peaking in the 70’s and early 80’s, with the collapse of the Union this changed. Putin’s government has only made it worse by using the community as a scapegoat. Rates of suicide, depression, lgbt people fleeing the country have all skyrocketed in the community. It has been made purposefully difficult to get treatment for HIV/AIDS, and lgbt people are treated like sex offenders.

    Why should I support this? It’s difficult to march forward in support of the Donbass when my own life is put in extreme risk.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    And who is “we” in this situation? Despite having travelled and lived between America and Russia, along with some of the west I do not identify with that. I am Belarusian by blood and have lived in Russia for years. That’s why I despise this, and now fear for my life. I have already faced hate crimes and discrimination, and been disowned by much of my family for being LGBT.

    Im from the UK, so apologies, but when I say 'we' I do quite literally mean my own country lol; I accept this is a less relevant criticism for you.

    I cannot support this country and risk my life for the “hope” it’ll get better after the war.

    I dont support Russia either, its a neo-liberal country. I do support the working class in Russia, and the working class in Ukraine; I recongise the real war ongoing in east ukraine since 2014 and the real grievances of them and I think in an alt world where we where friendly to Russia/the USSR and it didnt collapse LGBT+ people would be in a much better position in Ukraine and Russia.

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