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If no one has done what Messi has done then has he influenced the game at all?
That's what I was gonna say.
How has Messi been influential to the game when nobody can replicate the way he plays? Influential players are ones who start doing something new that everybody starts copying.
If most forwards strolled around the pitch like Messi for 80 of the 90 minutes they'd contribute absolutely nothing to the game. Messi hasn't influenced anyone to change the way they play because it wouldn't work if they did.
I take it as “most influential single player on outcomes/dominance of teams”. He is the player that can single handedly exert the most influence on a game. Certainly true in the modern era and if you consider his longevity it’s hard to argue against the same for all time.
exactly, compare Messi's brilliance to that of Cruyff or Beckenbauer who changed the way the game is played with new tactics and positions
This calls for Cruijff's explanation of the Diamond in a Dutch talkshow.
I wonder which player in history has made the highest number of people actually change the way they play.
Ronaldo making everyone kick through the valve?
Roberto Carlos convincing a generation of full backs to stop defending?
Vinnie Jones making droves of sunday league players think "midfield hardman" is a legit position?
What about Pele and inspiring joga bonito?
I always thought the same thing, but then again there are different ways to be influential.
I think it could be said he got more people into football - they wanted to learn to dribble, or score, or pass, or make plays like Messi. It doesn't mean they would do it the same way or to the same level, but it made people strive.
Also, in this day and age of football Adonisis, he shows that you can be a super start without the body of a god or oozing charisma or attitude.