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why can't we have federated identity ? (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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Why can’t we have federated identity to login into fediverse instead of creating login for each instance?

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[–] 155 points 3 years ago (40 children)

Please tell me you haven't been creating accounts on every instace. You can register on one instance then use that account to interact with content and communities on all other instances.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Some people do make this mistake, I've seen a thread or two asking about it after they already started. We'll need a proper solution eventually, likely education/tutorial-based.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The problem will stay there as long as lemmy links don't automatically redirect to your instance in somr way.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    True, but changing this is unfortunately unfeasible with the way the web works. If I just access the URL of a post on instance A, there is no reasonable way for it to know that my home instance is B.

    There should at least be a button or something that sends you to your home instance after entering the domain though. Other than that, we'll have to keep using browser addons and userscripts...

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Literally every single explanation of Lemmy or fediverse that I have seen makes this really clear. I don't understand where people would get the idea that you have to sign up to every site.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    It is really clear until a newb tries to use it:

    • Someone gives you a link, or you find it in search
    • You click on the link, because that's what you do with links
    • It takes you to what you are looking for, but it says you have to log in to comment or vote
    • You log in so you can comment or vote

    The UX for interacting with off-instance subs is abysmal. What is even worse is that as far as I can tell, there is no way to link a post or comment that is instance relative / instance independent.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    there is no way to link a post or comment that is instance relative / instance independent

    I'm commenting mainly as a reminder to myself to check back later if someone comes in with a correction.

    That said, the answer to this in the long term should be for the front ends (Lemmy UI, Jerboa, Sync for Lemmy, etc.) to be smart about this. My Mastodon app, Megalodon, does it. If you click a link to a post in another instance, it automatically looks up the same post from your instance and takes you there. It's a little slower (and Megalodon shows you a button to short-circuit it and just go to that URL if you don't care to be on your instance), but it lets you interact with the post as normal.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Even at the most basic level it is broken - at the bottom of your comment is a "context" button with the fediverse symbol. If I click on it, it won't take me to the comment on my instance (lemmy.world) but instead is an absolute link to the comment on your instance (Aussie.world) even though the community lives on lemmy.world.

    I love lemmy, and I think it has a bright future, but this fundamental problem really needs to be fixed.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    You're probably looking at the rainbow pentagon button, which behaves as you describe. There's also a kind of chain link button. That one should take you to the context within your own instance. At least on web that's how it works. Different apps may display differently.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The tooltip doesn't help either - both links only have a tooltip that just says link... IMHO it should be Link to this comment on CURRENT_INSTANCE_DOMAIN for the chain icon thing, and Link to this comment on COMMENTER_INSTANCE for the rainbow thing.

    Anyway, the issue about this messy behavior described by @cerevant@lemmy.world is here https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1048

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Because when you click a link out of link Google or something you try to login and it says your login doesn't work. To actually view that page properly you have to copy the link go you home instance and search it again then go to the post and then you can interact with it. Some people either A. don't realize that or B. Don't understand that's how it all functions. It confused the shit out of me for the first couple days but I just didn't care enough to create a new account because my account "should" have worked there I just didn't know how to make that happen.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The process to open a link on your home instance is just way too complicated right now. Some sort of browser presence could help redirect users to the right places.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    As a newb to Fediverse, I agree because it is ambiguous how to use one account for several instances. I've browsed the web for several hours. But I only found out that the above is not a one-size-fits-all because some instances require registration.

    Also, saying that an account can be created to access communities in my experience, implies I can only see and minimally interact on those instances. But I cannot go as far as posting anything because as I previously stated, I need an account on the said instance to do that.

    I see the Fediverse being an umbrella of apps/services. However, from my experience, they're not synchronized. More like silos.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    No some communities need a new login. lemmy NSFW has no content without it. th there's the issue of having a slow instance like world vs another instance

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    You don't need a new a account for this, just make sure you have "Show NSFW" enabled in your profile.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Not exactly because some instances defederate other instances. I'm pretty sure lemmynsfw is defederated by some instances (like Beehaw I think??), meaning you'd need an account on another instance in order to most properly view and participate.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Beehaw is not defederated from lemmynsfw.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Others have already said, but I will reinterate:

    You have to go to your account settings and enable "Show NSFW". It is off by default.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Nah, it's been enabled, it's literally just that instance that wont show anything without an account on their instance.

    Unless you mean the setting for my *.world account can be on everywhere else but OFF on the *nsfw instance alone??

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    this is the sturm and drang of every collaborative work I guess. Those led by a single person / company will produce a more streamlined but restrictive product. Those led by committee produce a more chaotic but free experience.

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  • [+] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, and no. You can access lemmy and kbin instances from mastadon. But the format doesn't work so well I think. I'm not sure how far it goes and how viable it is though. I'm not on mastadon.

    But once you have an account on one of the threadiverse instances, defederation aside the same content should be available.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Yeah I think the main actually viable use case for the fact that Lemmy and Mastodon can cross-interact is just when a Mastodon user gets @mentioned on Lemmy and is able to reply to it from there. And vice versa. You don't want to actually be browsing Lemmy from Mastodon.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    From my understanding, yes. You can also follow Lemmy communities on mastodon and have their posts show up in your feed. @fediverse@lemmy.world I believe that’s the right format? Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I’m wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Yes, you can. See my post I made on lemmy.world - showing up in the feed of @fediverse@lemmy.world using my mastodon.social account (in the mastodon app). For that to work you have to have the community address and look for it via the search on the mastodon instance.

    Screenshot is made in the mastodon instance.

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