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Libs get real offended if you just flatly say that Israel does not have a right to defend itself.
Yes, obviously, what Israel is now doing is in no way defensive but taking their dishonest framing and directly rejecting it is good too.
israel doesn't even have the right to exist
No country has a right to exist
People have a right to exist
Countries do not.
After WWII the allies dismantled Nazi Germany and Japan because the whole world was like "you don't get to exist." Not like that anyway.
Zionist propagandists try to force the repetition of that line "Israel has a right to exist... Israel has a right to defend itself..." so that people never question it or rather can't question it (they become children and start calling you names if you do). It's just more bullshit and they always tie the state of Israel back to "the Jews" broadly, across the world. As if saying "Israel doesn't have a right to exist" is the same as "Jews don't have a right to exist." Obviously it is not the same. Not even in the same realm. Like if I said Vatican City doesn't have a right to exist no one would assume I meant "genocide all the Catholics!" I mean the entire thing is just moronic. Ethnostates are fucking bad.
Let's be honest here: at least half of Nazi Germany didn't get dismantled.
Denazification but only enough for plausible deniability
True true but you get the point
My absolute favorite is to hit them with even more religious bullshit. "As a devout Catholic I cannot deny Jesus of Nazareth is the rightful King of Israel and his kingdom will reign through the hearts of all; it transcends borders, language and culture. To acknowledge another Israel would be against the practice of the church."
papistry
I'd stay away from using catholic doctrine to justify opposition to Zionism.
Like, the material is absolutely there, but that's mainly because for the last thousand years it was the primary ideological basis for European antisemitism.
We hear you, we see you, but our hands are tied.
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liberal discourse about "rights" always misses the point anyway. Israel has always used the idea that it guarantees more "democratic rights" than the surrounding Arab states as evidence that it has
SVPERIOR CVLTVRE 
etc. etc.
Israel has the power to defend itself. Where does it get that power? From the imperial core states (especially NATO/EU members) pouring money into it. Why do they do that? Because settler colonies are forward operating bases for imperial core capitalists. You can set up a situation where people have "equal rights" on paper, but in practice, violence decides what the actual material conditions are. Segregation in the united states always claimed to be "separate but equal" even as black people were made to suffer systemic discrimination (and continue to be made to suffer obviously)
Saw someone do this on Sky News of all places today lmao, interviewer didn't know how to react.
good post
Well facts don't care about your feelings, liberal