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What are some obvious racist and chauvinist things that are totally normalized? (hexbear.net)
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Things that are so obvious and ingrained that no one even thinks about them.

Here’s a few:

All US americans can go to Mexico EASILY. You’re supposed to have a passport but you don’t even need one (for car/foot crossing). Versus, it’s really hard for Mexicans, who aren’t wealthy, to secure a VISA to enter the US. I’m sure there are corollaries in other geo-regions.

Another one is wealthy countries having access to vaccines far ahead of “poor” countries.

In US, we might pay lip service to equal child-hood education but most of the funding pulls from local taxes so some kids might receive ~$10000 in spending while another receives $2000. I’m not looking it up at the moment, but I’m SURE there are strong racial stratas.

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[–] 92 points 2 years ago (79 children)

Treating the usian "founding fathers" as democracy-loving freedom fighters

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (77 children)

    I suppose the British considered them to be rebels, insurrectionists, or maybe even terrorists. It's all a matter of perspective isn't it?

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    The British press and government explicitly called them terrorists.

    But the other side of it is just as laughable. Whenever the framers of the constitution wrote about what they were trying to do, they would endlessly hand-wring about how bad it would be for everyone to have a say in government. They thought only rich land-owning men had proved themselves worthy to hold power. You know, them and all their friends. The american "revolution" had more in common with a coup than any sort of real liberatory movement.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (45 children)

    if I hold you in chains and whip you for not picking cotton fast enough for me, would that just be a "matter of perspective" you smug liberal?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (44 children)

    Lol what are you even talking about? How does that relate to my comment?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (43 children)

    since you're confused let's trace the entire context of the conversation from the thread title down to here.

    Question: What are some obvious racist and chauvinist things that are totally normalized?

    Answer (from wombat): Treating the usian "founding fathers" as democracy-loving freedom fighters

    Statement (from you): I suppose the British considered them to be rebels, insurrectionists, or maybe even terrorists. It's all a matter of perspective isn't it?

    Question (from me): if I hold you in chains and whip you for not picking cotton fast enough for me, would that just be a "matter of perspective" you smug liberal?

    Since the hegemonic perspective of the founding fathers in the US is that they're democracy-loving freedom fighters, it doesn't really matter what the British thought. We're discussing the normalized racism and chauvinism of worshiping a bunch of slave owning proto-bourgeois settler-colonialists. It's not just a matter of perspective. The shit they did to people had real material consequences. Hence my question to you which you didn't answer: if I hold you in chains and whip you for not picking cotton fast enough for me, would that just be a "matter of perspective" you smug liberal? That is. If you were actually treated by me the way the founding fathers treated people, would it still be this vague "matter of perspective" or would you be justified in despising me?

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