▲ 3702 ▼ Second largest Lemmy instance preemptively un-friends Facebook (lemmy.ml) submitted 3 years ago by ruffsl@programming.dev to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 1029 comments fedilink hide all child comments Lemmy.ml has now blocked Threads.net
[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 285 points 3 years ago (133 children) How about Lemmy.World? permalink fedilink source hideshow 133 child comments replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 268 points 3 years ago* (106 children) The admins stated on Mastodon that they're not going to defederate until something happens. Knowing Meta they shouldn't give them the chance. Here's the link: https://mastodon.world/@mwadmin/110654590632768079 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 106 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 249 points 3 years ago (30 children) Thats unfortunate. I'll be moving instances then. Giving Meta a chance is a lot like giving a mosquito a chance to not suck your blood. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [+] guyman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Currently you can with with Lemmy Connect. Maybe with others as well, given the amount of apps coming out by the day. And I'm guessing they'll fold the feature into Lemmy/Kbin proper sometime in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) My (limited) understanding is that if you (we) block other instances locally, that won't stop meta (or whoever) from accessing your (our) information and posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Squiglet@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago Its like that story of the frog helping the scorpion cross the river. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Techpriest@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Same, I was only donating $2 a month but I'm not alone in finding this completely unacceptable. I applied at lemmy.ml. It's the scorpion and the frog with these people suggesting we should just wait and see. "~Let's see if Zuck doesn't act like an anti-competitive asshole this time" <--where the hell is the logic in that?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies) [–] stupidillusion@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) How do you move? I signed up through .world but don't want a chance of touching the poo (meta). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) You just make a new account with another instance. You get about the same content as before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] gelberhut@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (12 replies) [–] sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 113 points 3 years ago (4 children) "until something happens" I suppose Metas history of actively being a bad actor working against societies best interests and enabling hate groups doesn't qualify as 'something'... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago yeah that this point meta just existing is bad permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] trifictional@lemmy.world 79 points 3 years ago (44 children) Oh, looks like I’m switching instances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 44 child comments replies: [–] Trifictional@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 years ago* (2 children) And done. I love federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] favrion@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (38 children) How do you do that? I'm subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn't sound like it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 94 points 3 years ago (14 children) Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bingbong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Thanks for making this! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3rdBlueWizard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything. Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Melco@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies) [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content. Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] hikaru755@feddit.de 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (12 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [+] WillardHerman@lemmy.world 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] gamers_Mate@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Oh damn guess I will migrate to lemmy.ml and use that until I find out if lemmy.world defederates or not. (Edit turns out it is run by tankies and they are federated with lemmygrad.) While I may or may not stay on lemmy.world depending on if we federate with meta or not. I will no longer suggest Lemmy.ml. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago I'm not in a hurry to migrate, as Threads doesn't support federation yet, but is not a bad idea to keep an eye on other instances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Looster@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Is mastodon.world the same as lemmy.world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 20 points 3 years ago The admin is the same person, so is expected that they apply the same policy for both instances. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (19 replies) [–] tox_solid@lemmy.world 43 points 3 years ago (1 child) Be a lot cooler if they did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClopClopMcFuckwad@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Phegan@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] guyman@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] antik@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) The discussion is still on-going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [+] guyman@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (14 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 43 points 3 years ago (5 children) The problem with Meta is that they will harm the Fediverse. I found this article interesting, written by a dev who worked with google during the XMPP EEE and was originally a XMPP dev, thinking that a big company could only mean more success for the FOSS alternative. He was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago It's almost like some people crave enshitification. "Hey this decentralized stuff is really cool, let's connect with the most gigantic corporate assholes who would absolutely centralize all of it if they could...you know, so we can grow! What could go wrong?" LIke...what? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] dingus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (5 children) Yeah I really hope they come out with the user's ability to block instances soon. Would be a great feature addition. There are a couple of instances that I take no issue with and don't want others to be blocked access too, but I really just don't want to see them in my feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 268 points 3 years ago* (106 children) The admins stated on Mastodon that they're not going to defederate until something happens. Knowing Meta they shouldn't give them the chance. Here's the link: https://mastodon.world/@mwadmin/110654590632768079 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 106 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 249 points 3 years ago (30 children) Thats unfortunate. I'll be moving instances then. Giving Meta a chance is a lot like giving a mosquito a chance to not suck your blood. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [+] guyman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Currently you can with with Lemmy Connect. Maybe with others as well, given the amount of apps coming out by the day. And I'm guessing they'll fold the feature into Lemmy/Kbin proper sometime in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) My (limited) understanding is that if you (we) block other instances locally, that won't stop meta (or whoever) from accessing your (our) information and posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Squiglet@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago Its like that story of the frog helping the scorpion cross the river. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Techpriest@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Same, I was only donating $2 a month but I'm not alone in finding this completely unacceptable. I applied at lemmy.ml. It's the scorpion and the frog with these people suggesting we should just wait and see. "~Let's see if Zuck doesn't act like an anti-competitive asshole this time" <--where the hell is the logic in that?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies) [–] stupidillusion@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) How do you move? I signed up through .world but don't want a chance of touching the poo (meta). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) You just make a new account with another instance. You get about the same content as before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] gelberhut@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (12 replies) [–] sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 113 points 3 years ago (4 children) "until something happens" I suppose Metas history of actively being a bad actor working against societies best interests and enabling hate groups doesn't qualify as 'something'... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago yeah that this point meta just existing is bad permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] trifictional@lemmy.world 79 points 3 years ago (44 children) Oh, looks like I’m switching instances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 44 child comments replies: [–] Trifictional@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 years ago* (2 children) And done. I love federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] favrion@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (38 children) How do you do that? I'm subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn't sound like it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 94 points 3 years ago (14 children) Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bingbong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Thanks for making this! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3rdBlueWizard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything. Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Melco@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies) [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content. Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] hikaru755@feddit.de 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (12 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [+] WillardHerman@lemmy.world 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] gamers_Mate@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Oh damn guess I will migrate to lemmy.ml and use that until I find out if lemmy.world defederates or not. (Edit turns out it is run by tankies and they are federated with lemmygrad.) While I may or may not stay on lemmy.world depending on if we federate with meta or not. I will no longer suggest Lemmy.ml. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago I'm not in a hurry to migrate, as Threads doesn't support federation yet, but is not a bad idea to keep an eye on other instances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Looster@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Is mastodon.world the same as lemmy.world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 20 points 3 years ago The admin is the same person, so is expected that they apply the same policy for both instances. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (19 replies)
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 249 points 3 years ago (30 children) Thats unfortunate. I'll be moving instances then. Giving Meta a chance is a lot like giving a mosquito a chance to not suck your blood. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [+] guyman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Currently you can with with Lemmy Connect. Maybe with others as well, given the amount of apps coming out by the day. And I'm guessing they'll fold the feature into Lemmy/Kbin proper sometime in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) My (limited) understanding is that if you (we) block other instances locally, that won't stop meta (or whoever) from accessing your (our) information and posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Squiglet@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago Its like that story of the frog helping the scorpion cross the river. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Techpriest@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Same, I was only donating $2 a month but I'm not alone in finding this completely unacceptable. I applied at lemmy.ml. It's the scorpion and the frog with these people suggesting we should just wait and see. "~Let's see if Zuck doesn't act like an anti-competitive asshole this time" <--where the hell is the logic in that?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies) [–] stupidillusion@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) How do you move? I signed up through .world but don't want a chance of touching the poo (meta). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) You just make a new account with another instance. You get about the same content as before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] gelberhut@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (12 replies)
[+] guyman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago* (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Currently you can with with Lemmy Connect. Maybe with others as well, given the amount of apps coming out by the day. And I'm guessing they'll fold the feature into Lemmy/Kbin proper sometime in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) My (limited) understanding is that if you (we) block other instances locally, that won't stop meta (or whoever) from accessing your (our) information and posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Currently you can with with Lemmy Connect. Maybe with others as well, given the amount of apps coming out by the day. And I'm guessing they'll fold the feature into Lemmy/Kbin proper sometime in the future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) My (limited) understanding is that if you (we) block other instances locally, that won't stop meta (or whoever) from accessing your (our) information and posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) My (limited) understanding is that if you (we) block other instances locally, that won't stop meta (or whoever) from accessing your (our) information and posts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sirxdaemon@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago Right, there are limitations to app based user blocking of instances. Lemmy/Kbin proper would need to implement a robust user account privacy framework to provide the granular control you're interested in. Personally, I'd like to see this as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squiglet@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago Its like that story of the frog helping the scorpion cross the river. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Techpriest@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Same, I was only donating $2 a month but I'm not alone in finding this completely unacceptable. I applied at lemmy.ml. It's the scorpion and the frog with these people suggesting we should just wait and see. "~Let's see if Zuck doesn't act like an anti-competitive asshole this time" <--where the hell is the logic in that?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Same, I was only donating $2 a month but I'm not alone in finding this completely unacceptable. I applied at lemmy.ml. It's the scorpion and the frog with these people suggesting we should just wait and see. "~Let's see if Zuck doesn't act like an anti-competitive asshole this time" <--where the hell is the logic in that?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] stupidillusion@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) How do you move? I signed up through .world but don't want a chance of touching the poo (meta). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) You just make a new account with another instance. You get about the same content as before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] gelberhut@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 35 points 3 years ago (1 child) You just make a new account with another instance. You get about the same content as before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] gelberhut@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] gelberhut@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 113 points 3 years ago (4 children) "until something happens" I suppose Metas history of actively being a bad actor working against societies best interests and enabling hate groups doesn't qualify as 'something'... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago yeah that this point meta just existing is bad permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago yeah that this point meta just existing is bad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trifictional@lemmy.world 79 points 3 years ago (44 children) Oh, looks like I’m switching instances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 44 child comments replies: [–] Trifictional@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 years ago* (2 children) And done. I love federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] favrion@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (38 children) How do you do that? I'm subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn't sound like it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 94 points 3 years ago (14 children) Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bingbong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Thanks for making this! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3rdBlueWizard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything. Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Melco@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies) [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content. Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] hikaru755@feddit.de 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (12 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Trifictional@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 years ago* (2 children) And done. I love federation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] favrion@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (38 children) How do you do that? I'm subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn't sound like it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 94 points 3 years ago (14 children) Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bingbong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Thanks for making this! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3rdBlueWizard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything. Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Melco@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies) [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content. Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] hikaru755@feddit.de 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (12 replies)
[–] CMahaff@lemmy.world 94 points 3 years ago (14 children) Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bingbong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Thanks for making this! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3rdBlueWizard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything. Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] Melco@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies)
[–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 23 points 3 years ago Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bingbong@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Thanks for making this! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3rdBlueWizard@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything. Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content. Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] hikaru755@feddit.de 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Zaktor@lemmy.world 22 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] tj111@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
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[–] gamers_Mate@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Oh damn guess I will migrate to lemmy.ml and use that until I find out if lemmy.world defederates or not. (Edit turns out it is run by tankies and they are federated with lemmygrad.) While I may or may not stay on lemmy.world depending on if we federate with meta or not. I will no longer suggest Lemmy.ml. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago I'm not in a hurry to migrate, as Threads doesn't support federation yet, but is not a bad idea to keep an eye on other instances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago I'm not in a hurry to migrate, as Threads doesn't support federation yet, but is not a bad idea to keep an eye on other instances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Looster@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Is mastodon.world the same as lemmy.world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 20 points 3 years ago The admin is the same person, so is expected that they apply the same policy for both instances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 20 points 3 years ago The admin is the same person, so is expected that they apply the same policy for both instances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tox_solid@lemmy.world 43 points 3 years ago (1 child) Be a lot cooler if they did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ClopClopMcFuckwad@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Phegan@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] guyman@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
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[–] antik@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) The discussion is still on-going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[+] guyman@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (14 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 43 points 3 years ago (5 children) The problem with Meta is that they will harm the Fediverse. I found this article interesting, written by a dev who worked with google during the XMPP EEE and was originally a XMPP dev, thinking that a big company could only mean more success for the FOSS alternative. He was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago It's almost like some people crave enshitification. "Hey this decentralized stuff is really cool, let's connect with the most gigantic corporate assholes who would absolutely centralize all of it if they could...you know, so we can grow! What could go wrong?" LIke...what? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] dingus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (5 children) Yeah I really hope they come out with the user's ability to block instances soon. Would be a great feature addition. There are a couple of instances that I take no issue with and don't want others to be blocked access too, but I really just don't want to see them in my feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] necrxfagivs@lemmy.world 43 points 3 years ago (5 children) The problem with Meta is that they will harm the Fediverse. I found this article interesting, written by a dev who worked with google during the XMPP EEE and was originally a XMPP dev, thinking that a big company could only mean more success for the FOSS alternative. He was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago It's almost like some people crave enshitification. "Hey this decentralized stuff is really cool, let's connect with the most gigantic corporate assholes who would absolutely centralize all of it if they could...you know, so we can grow! What could go wrong?" LIke...what? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago It's almost like some people crave enshitification. "Hey this decentralized stuff is really cool, let's connect with the most gigantic corporate assholes who would absolutely centralize all of it if they could...you know, so we can grow! What could go wrong?" LIke...what? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dingus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago (5 children) Yeah I really hope they come out with the user's ability to block instances soon. Would be a great feature addition. There are a couple of instances that I take no issue with and don't want others to be blocked access too, but I really just don't want to see them in my feed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)