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The idea that the Palestinian people have only been able to persist because of their religion is ridiculous to me. They are resisting because colonialism, apartheid and genocide are very bad things to which nobody would want to be subjected, not because of Islam. If Palestinians were atheists, is he suggesting that they wouldn't have the strength or the will to resist? Would their lack of a belief in the supernatural turn them into doormats for Isn'treal?

I like Hakim's content, but his position on religion is quite frustrating. He is a Muslim first and a Marxist second. Also, Joram van Klaveren is still a right-winger.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

On top of everything that everyone in this thread has already mentioned, this is extremely insulting and reductive even on the basis of religion.

Imagine blatantly ignoring the lives and sufferings of Christian, Jewish, Samaritanist, and Atheist Palestinians who also live and die under the same oppression and terror that their Muslim brothers do. I guess they aren't important enough to include in this analysis? How do they survive? Chalking up the survival of a people entirely to religion, while simultaneously ignoring other faiths is completely absurd.

Also, religious faith is the basis of survival of a subjugated people? Really? Ask the Jews during the Holocaust how that went for them, and why if the faith worked so well for them that millions of the survivors left Judaism in disillusionment and disgust.

I expected better from Hakim.

My conclusion regarding the Deprogram cast is one of three theories:

  1. Deprogram/ their channels became to potentially influential and the state apparatus has threatened them into playing along.

  2. They've sold out to get that sweet sweet patreon and merch money from liberals and less principled Marxists.

  3. They let the "power" get to their head and they know think that they're the second coming of Lenin, Stalin, Marx, and Mao.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This seems bad faith. Hakim isn't "blatantly ignoring" the suffering of non-muslims. Chill out or go away.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for being the moral arbiter.

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