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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dude needs to stand before a firing line, not go to jail. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children) That's a lil extreme my guy Edit: what fuckin world do we live in, where someone says that a politician needs to be shot to death, and the controversial opinion is to not shoot someone? Am I crazy for thinking that killing trump wouldn't solve anything? We shouldn't give people a martyr. The best way to get rid of someone is by shaming them and forgetting them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (1 child) “Furthermore, 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a crazy variation in punishment for treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago 10000$ it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] lateraltwo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) When he says that on a fringe social media platform it's "lil extreme" When Trump says that 5 thugs need to be put to death, who were found Innocent, it's just an opinion everyone is allowed to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh no, that's also an extreme opinion. Death is always an extreme opinion, because there's no way to change your mind. Death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna be a naïve idealist, at least be an effective one and pick arguments where you're not splitting hairs over hyperbole on niche social media, much less hyperbole directed at a world-class factory of inflammatory hyperbole who has 0 chance of being executed by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I will not entertain the concept of normalizing extremist hyperbole, as normalizing extremes tends to make them normal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent [+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Not sure about this really. You have a great point with the martyr risk, but then again, if Hitler had been executed in 1924, would the whole nazi thing have fallen on its face? Trumpism (much like Hitlerism) is a person cult. Perhaps killing their leader is exactly the kind of thing what people like Trump supporters respect and positively respond to. The best way to get rid of someone is by shaming them I think we can be pretty certain that this strategy is not working against Trump. Unless you find a shaming angle that actually works against his supporters. I have no idea what that could be since just about every angle that would work on normal people has been tried out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I started typing the Hitler comparison before seeing you beat me to it. Well said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, if Hitler had been killed on Aug 29 1939, the Nazis might have done a lot better than they did. I don't think his generals would have marched into Russia the way he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) To respond to your edit: Death as a punishment for treason would do a lot to stem the tide of treasonous fucks that are currently holding high positions in our political system. The time for leniency is OVER. And making a martyr out of a huge sack of shit is just fine- let more of those fucks step out of line and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you really think that's how it'd go down? You might want to rethink that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve rethought it- and yea, that’s how it would go down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so you're not just in a bad mood or something, you're just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago I think it is more towards the fear of him becoming re-elected and death -- while indeed extreme -- would prevent such an outcome. permalink fedilink source parent [+] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Hm actually no. I'd prefer to not be a crazy person. Thanks for the offer tho. Enjoy your killing spree. I'll watch it on the news later permalink fedilink source parent [–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not really. It's in line with all US laws to ask for the death penalty 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” Considering the scope and impact of his crimes. It would be reasonable to ask for the maximum punishment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago I agree, we should throw him in prison for the rest of his life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nikscha@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago I'm 100% with you permalink fedilink source parent [–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago He may be a politician but he's also a criminal and I think that would be the punishment for his crimes not for being a politician. Although hes a pretty awful politician too lol that's not a crime. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Boy let me tell you something about our founding fathers.... This man tried to destroy our democracy, he deserves to die. However, for the sake of our civilized society I would prefer to see him rot in jail until he dies in the most unglamorous way possible that way he can't be made a martyr. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blanket Party, and everyone in the nation gets 15 seconds each. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago It's as though people want a civil war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children) That's a lil extreme my guy Edit: what fuckin world do we live in, where someone says that a politician needs to be shot to death, and the controversial opinion is to not shoot someone? Am I crazy for thinking that killing trump wouldn't solve anything? We shouldn't give people a martyr. The best way to get rid of someone is by shaming them and forgetting them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (1 child) “Furthermore, 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a crazy variation in punishment for treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago 10000$ it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] lateraltwo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) When he says that on a fringe social media platform it's "lil extreme" When Trump says that 5 thugs need to be put to death, who were found Innocent, it's just an opinion everyone is allowed to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh no, that's also an extreme opinion. Death is always an extreme opinion, because there's no way to change your mind. Death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna be a naïve idealist, at least be an effective one and pick arguments where you're not splitting hairs over hyperbole on niche social media, much less hyperbole directed at a world-class factory of inflammatory hyperbole who has 0 chance of being executed by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I will not entertain the concept of normalizing extremist hyperbole, as normalizing extremes tends to make them normal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent [+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Not sure about this really. You have a great point with the martyr risk, but then again, if Hitler had been executed in 1924, would the whole nazi thing have fallen on its face? Trumpism (much like Hitlerism) is a person cult. Perhaps killing their leader is exactly the kind of thing what people like Trump supporters respect and positively respond to. The best way to get rid of someone is by shaming them I think we can be pretty certain that this strategy is not working against Trump. Unless you find a shaming angle that actually works against his supporters. I have no idea what that could be since just about every angle that would work on normal people has been tried out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I started typing the Hitler comparison before seeing you beat me to it. Well said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, if Hitler had been killed on Aug 29 1939, the Nazis might have done a lot better than they did. I don't think his generals would have marched into Russia the way he did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) To respond to your edit: Death as a punishment for treason would do a lot to stem the tide of treasonous fucks that are currently holding high positions in our political system. The time for leniency is OVER. And making a martyr out of a huge sack of shit is just fine- let more of those fucks step out of line and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you really think that's how it'd go down? You might want to rethink that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve rethought it- and yea, that’s how it would go down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so you're not just in a bad mood or something, you're just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago I think it is more towards the fear of him becoming re-elected and death -- while indeed extreme -- would prevent such an outcome. permalink fedilink source parent [+] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Hm actually no. I'd prefer to not be a crazy person. Thanks for the offer tho. Enjoy your killing spree. I'll watch it on the news later permalink fedilink source parent [–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not really. It's in line with all US laws to ask for the death penalty 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” Considering the scope and impact of his crimes. It would be reasonable to ask for the maximum punishment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago I agree, we should throw him in prison for the rest of his life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nikscha@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago I'm 100% with you permalink fedilink source parent [–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago He may be a politician but he's also a criminal and I think that would be the punishment for his crimes not for being a politician. Although hes a pretty awful politician too lol that's not a crime. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Boy let me tell you something about our founding fathers.... This man tried to destroy our democracy, he deserves to die. However, for the sake of our civilized society I would prefer to see him rot in jail until he dies in the most unglamorous way possible that way he can't be made a martyr. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blanket Party, and everyone in the nation gets 15 seconds each. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago It's as though people want a civil war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (1 child) “Furthermore, 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a crazy variation in punishment for treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago 10000$ it is permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a crazy variation in punishment for treason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago 10000$ it is permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago 10000$ it is permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lateraltwo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) When he says that on a fringe social media platform it's "lil extreme" When Trump says that 5 thugs need to be put to death, who were found Innocent, it's just an opinion everyone is allowed to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh no, that's also an extreme opinion. Death is always an extreme opinion, because there's no way to change your mind. Death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna be a naïve idealist, at least be an effective one and pick arguments where you're not splitting hairs over hyperbole on niche social media, much less hyperbole directed at a world-class factory of inflammatory hyperbole who has 0 chance of being executed by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I will not entertain the concept of normalizing extremist hyperbole, as normalizing extremes tends to make them normal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent [+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uh no, that's also an extreme opinion. Death is always an extreme opinion, because there's no way to change your mind. Death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna be a naïve idealist, at least be an effective one and pick arguments where you're not splitting hairs over hyperbole on niche social media, much less hyperbole directed at a world-class factory of inflammatory hyperbole who has 0 chance of being executed by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I will not entertain the concept of normalizing extremist hyperbole, as normalizing extremes tends to make them normal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent [+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna be a naïve idealist, at least be an effective one and pick arguments where you're not splitting hairs over hyperbole on niche social media, much less hyperbole directed at a world-class factory of inflammatory hyperbole who has 0 chance of being executed by the government. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I will not entertain the concept of normalizing extremist hyperbole, as normalizing extremes tends to make them normal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent [+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I will not entertain the concept of normalizing extremist hyperbole, as normalizing extremes tends to make them normal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent [+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And what do you do when that comes? If most people consider extreme to be normal, what do the rest of us do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago There is a difference between starting conflict, and defending yourself. Assassination is not a defense permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 1847953620@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone go to this guy's house and do a medieval torture of some sort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah I think we should do that to you, considering you're ok with stuff like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤣 Hey, remember how Trump separated immigrant children from their mothers, some of whom we lost record of and have no idea if they've been reunited? Remember the physical abuse of immigrants he internally promoted? Remember his pandering to the Klan and neo-nazis and adjacent white nationalist organizations? Remember all the covid deaths he caused with his validating and spreading of lies? His insurrection attempt? Divulging of military strategic information? Don't you think that tips the scales a little bit? All it took was a little bit of pushback to get you to flip on your "never joke about violence" stance. I've never done any of those things. You should re-evaluate your priorities. Unless this is really the hill you want to "die" (😱) on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) A lil pushback? Flip? No, I've always been anti-violence. Killing people only results in more graves. War doesn't solve anything. Sometimes you need to stand up in defense, and that's different, but starting the violence is never a good thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Getting on a high horse over hyperbole is silly, but that's what you doubled down on doing, then you used the exact same kind of hyperbole yourself because you were mad. That's the definition of flipping. (And irony.) You can stop grandstanding now, no-one cared before, except for the bit where you stuck your foot in your mouth, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Not sure about this really. You have a great point with the martyr risk, but then again, if Hitler had been executed in 1924, would the whole nazi thing have fallen on its face? Trumpism (much like Hitlerism) is a person cult. Perhaps killing their leader is exactly the kind of thing what people like Trump supporters respect and positively respond to. The best way to get rid of someone is by shaming them I think we can be pretty certain that this strategy is not working against Trump. Unless you find a shaming angle that actually works against his supporters. I have no idea what that could be since just about every angle that would work on normal people has been tried out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I started typing the Hitler comparison before seeing you beat me to it. Well said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, if Hitler had been killed on Aug 29 1939, the Nazis might have done a lot better than they did. I don't think his generals would have marched into Russia the way he did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I started typing the Hitler comparison before seeing you beat me to it. Well said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, if Hitler had been killed on Aug 29 1939, the Nazis might have done a lot better than they did. I don't think his generals would have marched into Russia the way he did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) To respond to your edit: Death as a punishment for treason would do a lot to stem the tide of treasonous fucks that are currently holding high positions in our political system. The time for leniency is OVER. And making a martyr out of a huge sack of shit is just fine- let more of those fucks step out of line and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you really think that's how it'd go down? You might want to rethink that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve rethought it- and yea, that’s how it would go down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so you're not just in a bad mood or something, you're just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you really think that's how it'd go down? You might want to rethink that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve rethought it- and yea, that’s how it would go down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so you're not just in a bad mood or something, you're just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve rethought it- and yea, that’s how it would go down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so you're not just in a bad mood or something, you're just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pottsunami@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, so you're not just in a bad mood or something, you're just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Not so stupid that I’d think that doing next to nothing is the proper way to deal with traitors to our country. It’s even in built into our laws that death be a possible punishment. But noooooo, better he remain in jail where he can continue to rile up his army of dipshits and continue destroying this country. And yes, jailing him still entitles him to martyrdom. At least if the fat fuck were bleeding out in the dirt- he’d shut the fuck up for a change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago I think it is more towards the fear of him becoming re-elected and death -- while indeed extreme -- would prevent such an outcome. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Hm actually no. I'd prefer to not be a crazy person. Thanks for the offer tho. Enjoy your killing spree. I'll watch it on the news later permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Hm actually no. I'd prefer to not be a crazy person. Thanks for the offer tho. Enjoy your killing spree. I'll watch it on the news later permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Not really. It's in line with all US laws to ask for the death penalty 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” Considering the scope and impact of his crimes. It would be reasonable to ask for the maximum punishment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago I agree, we should throw him in prison for the rest of his life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago He may be a politician but he's also a criminal and I think that would be the punishment for his crimes not for being a politician. Although hes a pretty awful politician too lol that's not a crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Boy let me tell you something about our founding fathers.... This man tried to destroy our democracy, he deserves to die. However, for the sake of our civilized society I would prefer to see him rot in jail until he dies in the most unglamorous way possible that way he can't be made a martyr. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blanket Party, and everyone in the nation gets 15 seconds each. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blanket Party, and everyone in the nation gets 15 seconds each. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RippleEffect@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago It's as though people want a civil war. permalink fedilink source parent