• Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
  • The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
  • U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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[–] -5 points 2 years ago (41 children)
  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (35 children)

    There doesn't need to be an alternative to killing children, just don't.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (34 children)

    But there are two options: kill the terrorist, or don't kill the terrorist. Your choice is to let terrorists win, if they bring enough kids.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    That would be exactly my choice. One terrorist is not worth blowing up children over. Wait for a better opportunity that doesn't definitely have collateral damage. A terrorist does not "win" if he lives a bit longer. Nobody is "winning" anything in Gaza anyways right now.

    Besides, blowing up children is a win for the terrorists.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    What I hear from your comment is "let's let them kill more Israeli kids".

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    What I hear from your comment is "let's let them kill more Palestinian kids".

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean if the person you're talking to only believes in two options then you are correct and they are wrong. End of discussion. But there is always a 3rd option for those not talking: receive with empathy.

    The thought of people killing Israeli kids makes us upset, to the point where we might consider killing other kids if it means rooting out evil. It seems like you're not so much saying the option is between Israelites and Palestinians, but it's to kill or be killed?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It is exactly that. Your third option seems too abstract to me. Would you mind clarifying what it means practically?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    The third option is what I just demonstrated. Instead of me imposing my own feelings on the matter (pro-cease fire) I received what you were saying as an expression of a need and I try to understand it. Being able to understand this as "kill or be killed" gets more to the point, but I'm no Jesus so this is about as far as I can go... For now.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Nah, that's just the a false dichotomy that's been used to manipulate public opinion.

    This whole thing has to be address via Counter Insurgency methods, but that would mean actually listenning to the Palestinians, let them have enough that they don't want to lose it and not commit random acts of violence and land theft against them, so that the Insurgency Movement which is Hamas has little or no popular support at which point it becomes very easy to find and kill the terrorists.

    However Israel has a far right government (I would even say Fascist), so it's all about Strength and thanks in a large extent to the support of the likes of the US (plus countries like France, the UK and Germany) they have the means and the "unwavering support" to be as violent as they feel like, hence their choice of purelly violent, no moral considerations (ultimatelly, genocidal), ways of "solving" the problem.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    What they want is to "kill all Jews". We've already passed that.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They want to kill whoever is stealing their lands and killing their people, they just happened to be Zionists.

    If Israel was of a different religion, or even atheists, the result would have been the same. People fight for their land and their freedom against occupiers regardless of the occupier's religion.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    When Ukraine "steals" land from Donetsk People Republic, you support the "stealers", but with Israel you change your opinion to the opposite. How come?

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  • [+] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)
  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Yep, that worked well before.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)
  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    So it's about settlements all of a sudden? People who yell* "kill all Jews" just want to settle.

    *not just yell, they actually tried

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  • [+] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes I will. And you too, I imagine, as most of the people.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you choose to kill a terrorist leader despite them having a bunch of civilians and children around, are you meaningfully different from them?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago*

    In this scenario, is that terrorist leader who is hiding among civilians from his country actively killing civilians from my country? If so, it sounds like you're suggesting the moral choice is to sacrifice my own people to save his, while they continue to wage war against my civilians. Bonkers.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Nope, never said anything close to that. There are myriad ways to kill a terrorist without sinking to their level.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)
  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Just go shoot him. What's the matter? Can't do that without losing some soldiers? How many children is a soldier worth?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    How many foreign citizens children is a soldier from your country worth? Let's not pretend any country sees all lives as equal. The US for example uses Dron strikes for strategic targets even tho they've harmed civilians countless times. They see avoiding American deaths as better than killing a couple civilians.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Lets put it this way, if the Hamas leaders were hidden in a Tel-Aviv hospital filled with Israelis, would the IDF bomb it?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fuck yeah they would. israel killed at least 122 of their own civilians by just mass firing their tanks into kibbutzes to kill a few Hamas soldiers. They knew there were hostages and still fired at the buildings.

    Unless Hamas is literally standing behind Netanyahu that man will kill anyone. He does not care about israeli civilians the same way Putin throws Russians into the meat grinder.

    This is a genocide orchestrated by Netanyahu to stay in power. The exact same strat Putin is using in Ukraine.

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