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[–] 64 points 2 years ago (126 children)

A senior member of Hamas has hailed the systematic slaughter of civilians in Israel

When asked whether this meant the complete annihilation of Israel, Hamas replied: “Yes, of course.”

who still thinks hamas are the good guys?

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  • [–] 103 points 2 years ago

    If you're coming to any international conflict, but specially to this one, from a "good guys/bad guys" framework you're absolutely not helping.

    Sometimes (a lot of times, sadly) all you get in a particular issue is just assholes all the way down. Unsurprisingly, deadly military conflicts where both sides have proven at best a callous disregard for civilian casualties practically requires the asshole pile to be expansive and thorough.

    The question is how you get the endless, writhing mass of assholes to stop. Which isn't looking great right now.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    I made the mistake of commenting on this post where people clearly think that the Hamas are the good guys and have every right to do what they do. Apologies for linking to it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Of course if you go to tankie central you get tankies. They’re also acting like Putin didn’t order the shelling and capture of Ukrainian cities and it’s all just (insert kremlin talking point here).

    They are a specific niche of political mind. The kind that only thinks western nations are capable of propaganda and evil. Don’t take them as representative of smarter people.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    Yeah, I shouldn’t have commented. That post ended up in my hot/all feed and I didn’t really look at the community. I was frankly quite confused as to what’s up with these people until I saw the upvoted Russian propaganda comment which cleared things up quite a bit.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Nobody said they were.

    edit: okay crazy people on a lemmygrad site said they were. But that page that guy linked looked about as nice as a 4chan site....

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (50 children)

    Who still thinks any state is the good guys? Hamas and Israel are both enemies of the people.

    The only way to cut through the propagandistic lies of these groups is to point out that neither truly represents the people they say they do.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I mean, Hamas took power by killing Palestinian civilians. They don’t represent anyone and they openly say they will martyr civilians.

    The Palestinian National Authority (Fatah) was the democratically elected government of Palestine before 2007. Hamas staged a coup and executed Fatah officials, which is why Gaza and the West Bank are separate entities today.

    Hamas is as much a state as Al-Qaeda. They’re a terrorist group that seized power by way of murder and have openly declared they intend to use their citizens as shields and martyrs.

    They’re not a state. They’re a terror cell that deserves to be eliminated. Unfortunately their own admitted tactics of using civilians as shields means that civilians will be killed.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

    Difference is, Israel isn't meant to represent palestinian people, Hamas is. And they are doing a great job of it, if their job is getting civilians killed.

    Edit: Just think about the massive protests against Netanyahu earlier in the year. Do those show how in tune the Israeli government and people are? No. But the very fact they could protest mostly peacefully differentiates Israel's treatment of its population from all of its neighbours.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Tactically their October 7 attack was incredibly silly, honestly what did they think would happen?

    They gave Netanyahu, who was finally fumbling at the reigns after almost thirty years aan excuse to execute his wet dreams and all of Israel uniting behind him.

    I see no way how they could have thought the attack would benefit their cause.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    To answer the question, what they think would happen: Their October 7th attacked achieved everything they wanted.

    KSA and Israel we're coming to an understanding and treaty, that was against the interests of Iran who is in a power struggle with the KSA.

    After their attack, it is now politically impossible for the KSA and Israel to have a treaty. That alone justifies this entire conflict from their power politics perspective

    They never had any hope of inflicting damage on the Israeli government. They clearly don't care about their own civilian casualties. In fact The worst the reprisals the better for their recruitment and funding efforts.

    Probably not directly related to the rationale for their attack, but it got them some ancillary support, it removed Russia's aggression from the news media cycle. Which probably got them some favor in those circles.

    From a media perspective, this has been a massive Boone for their campaign. They more or less had disappeared from international headlines for the last 10 years. Now everybody is talking about the genocide, and the ethnic cleansing. They're going to pay very dearly for it, but that's more media attention than they've had for a decade.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Piece of shit, pouring oil onto fire while the civilians are getting slaughtered at this point on both sides. If there is hell, this one should burn.

    Edit: I've never seen anyone defend Hamas, only civilian Palestinians. Just to make that clear distinction.

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