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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 135 points 2 years ago (5 children) Hamas and Netanyahus rhetoric; name a more iconic due. These fuckers fit hand and fucking glove. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 106 points 2 years ago (1 child) Netanyahu: Hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to eliminate the Jewish nation Hamas: yeah he’s right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's why Nethanyahu funded them. All his investments paid off in this neat little casus belli. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ours@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He allowed Hamas to be funded but it's still horrific the hand he had in making this monster. He allowed Hamas to grow so it would fight those looking to negotiate toward a two-state solution. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Proof or it didn't happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Five@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I think this is what @SlikPikker@lemmy.ca is talking about: For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm. Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000. Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000. Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip. Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. Excerpt from For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces by Tal Schneider and published by The Times of Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago Just so! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago Both of them have caused so much harm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago Like a well oiled meat grinder. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MxM111@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Netanyahu does not state that killing of civilians is his goal, nor does IDF purposely do that. Imagine the amount of civilian deaths if it were actually IDF’s goal, as it is for Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your argument might have more weight if the head of national security wasn't a former member of the Kach party, a group Israel designated a terrorist group in 1994. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background." What a guy. I thought militaries (and police) love those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DanL4@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Israeli military is not for volunteers, it's for everyone. The top ranking generals and chiefs of staff were prominent against Netanyahu and this extremist incompetent government. They are also said that human rights activists that give a voice to solders that saw atrocious acts of the idf itself. This is not the norm, contrary to what the media would have you think. This, according to the top ranking Israeli ex officers, is how the idf should fix its wrongs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But they kill plenty anyway. Oops? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right human shields don't exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They bombed a refugee camp. Twice. If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby. I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler. There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both can exist. Don't get binary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago He doesn't? https://timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/articleshow/104802548.cms permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren't actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Quick update, they bombed it a third time today permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves. Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades… Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure. You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more. Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊 It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent [+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km^2^. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It's not exactly a small place, even if the term "refugee camp" might give that image. So who knows. Perhaps they're just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] bus_go_fast@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] bus_go_fast@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Hurricane of shit meeting tornado of blood (bars) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 106 points 2 years ago (1 child) Netanyahu: Hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to eliminate the Jewish nation Hamas: yeah he’s right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's why Nethanyahu funded them. All his investments paid off in this neat little casus belli. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ours@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He allowed Hamas to be funded but it's still horrific the hand he had in making this monster. He allowed Hamas to grow so it would fight those looking to negotiate toward a two-state solution. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Proof or it didn't happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Five@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I think this is what @SlikPikker@lemmy.ca is talking about: For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm. Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000. Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000. Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip. Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. Excerpt from For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces by Tal Schneider and published by The Times of Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago Just so! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's why Nethanyahu funded them. All his investments paid off in this neat little casus belli. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ours@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He allowed Hamas to be funded but it's still horrific the hand he had in making this monster. He allowed Hamas to grow so it would fight those looking to negotiate toward a two-state solution. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Proof or it didn't happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Five@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I think this is what @SlikPikker@lemmy.ca is talking about: For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm. Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000. Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000. Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip. Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. Excerpt from For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces by Tal Schneider and published by The Times of Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago Just so! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ours@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He allowed Hamas to be funded but it's still horrific the hand he had in making this monster. He allowed Hamas to grow so it would fight those looking to negotiate toward a two-state solution. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Proof or it didn't happen permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Five@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I think this is what @SlikPikker@lemmy.ca is talking about: For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm. Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000. Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000. Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip. Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. Excerpt from For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces by Tal Schneider and published by The Times of Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago Just so! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Five@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I think this is what @SlikPikker@lemmy.ca is talking about: For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad. Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products. Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm. Toward the end of Netanyahu’s fifth government in 2021, approximately 2,000-3,000 work permits were issued to Gazans. This number climbed to 5,000 and, during the Bennett-Lapid government, rose sharply to 10,000. Since Netanyahu returned to power in January 2023, the number of work permits has soared to nearly 20,000. Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza. Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip. Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015. Excerpt from For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces by Tal Schneider and published by The Times of Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago Just so! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago Nowhere does this say that Netanyahu funded Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago Both of them have caused so much harm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago Like a well oiled meat grinder. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MxM111@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Netanyahu does not state that killing of civilians is his goal, nor does IDF purposely do that. Imagine the amount of civilian deaths if it were actually IDF’s goal, as it is for Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your argument might have more weight if the head of national security wasn't a former member of the Kach party, a group Israel designated a terrorist group in 1994. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background." What a guy. I thought militaries (and police) love those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DanL4@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Israeli military is not for volunteers, it's for everyone. The top ranking generals and chiefs of staff were prominent against Netanyahu and this extremist incompetent government. They are also said that human rights activists that give a voice to solders that saw atrocious acts of the idf itself. This is not the norm, contrary to what the media would have you think. This, according to the top ranking Israeli ex officers, is how the idf should fix its wrongs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But they kill plenty anyway. Oops? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right human shields don't exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They bombed a refugee camp. Twice. If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby. I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler. There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both can exist. Don't get binary. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago He doesn't? https://timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/articleshow/104802548.cms permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren't actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Quick update, they bombed it a third time today permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves. Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades… Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure. You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more. Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊 It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent [+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km^2^. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It's not exactly a small place, even if the term "refugee camp" might give that image. So who knows. Perhaps they're just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] bus_go_fast@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] bus_go_fast@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) Your argument might have more weight if the head of national security wasn't a former member of the Kach party, a group Israel designated a terrorist group in 1994. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background." What a guy. I thought militaries (and police) love those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DanL4@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Israeli military is not for volunteers, it's for everyone. The top ranking generals and chiefs of staff were prominent against Netanyahu and this extremist incompetent government. They are also said that human rights activists that give a voice to solders that saw atrocious acts of the idf itself. This is not the norm, contrary to what the media would have you think. This, according to the top ranking Israeli ex officers, is how the idf should fix its wrongs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) "When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background." What a guy. I thought militaries (and police) love those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DanL4@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Israeli military is not for volunteers, it's for everyone. The top ranking generals and chiefs of staff were prominent against Netanyahu and this extremist incompetent government. They are also said that human rights activists that give a voice to solders that saw atrocious acts of the idf itself. This is not the norm, contrary to what the media would have you think. This, according to the top ranking Israeli ex officers, is how the idf should fix its wrongs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DanL4@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Israeli military is not for volunteers, it's for everyone. The top ranking generals and chiefs of staff were prominent against Netanyahu and this extremist incompetent government. They are also said that human rights activists that give a voice to solders that saw atrocious acts of the idf itself. This is not the norm, contrary to what the media would have you think. This, according to the top ranking Israeli ex officers, is how the idf should fix its wrongs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But they kill plenty anyway. Oops? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right human shields don't exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They bombed a refugee camp. Twice. If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby. I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler. There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both can exist. Don't get binary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right human shields don't exist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They bombed a refugee camp. Twice. If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby. I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler. There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both can exist. Don't get binary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) They bombed a refugee camp. Twice. If I were a military commander in WW2 with the same technology we have today, and Hitler was out in the open at an elementary school graduation next to a preschool, I would not make that order. Instead, I'd mobilize intelligence agents to get there immediately and tail him, while moving my forces nearby. I find it hard to believe that Israeli military and intelligence agencies could not track him and wait. The IDF just cares more about their own skin than they do of Palestinian children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler. There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago It took the US 10 years to track down Bin Laden, all the while he was still communicating with cells. In your example that is a LOT of quality holocaust time for Hitler. There is no easy way out of the trolley problem of slippery genocidal targets popping up with a limited time window to execute. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both can exist. Don't get binary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago He doesn't? https://timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/articleshow/104802548.cms permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren't actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Plopp@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Quick update, they bombed it a third time today permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves. Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades… Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure. You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more. Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊 It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent [+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km^2^. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It's not exactly a small place, even if the term "refugee camp" might give that image. So who knows. Perhaps they're just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] bus_go_fast@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Quick update, they bombed it a third time today permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves. Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades… Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure. You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more. Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊 It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent [+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km^2^. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It's not exactly a small place, even if the term "refugee camp" might give that image. So who knows. Perhaps they're just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Quick update, they bombed it a third time today permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves. Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves. Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago* Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades… Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure. You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more. Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊 It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more. Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊 It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century. You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, I didn't cheer for Hamas. Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself. And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling. And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948. It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete. Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise. The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me. Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on. Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians. They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] steventhedev@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong. I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 1 point 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toallpointswest@mastodon.cloud 0 points 2 years ago @steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km^2^. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It's not exactly a small place, even if the term "refugee camp" might give that image. So who knows. Perhaps they're just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace. If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
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