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I'm over the era of ads dominating our lives. I know not everyone can do so, but I'm willing to pay a fair rate for a fair search and AI service. If we have to continue to live in this system then I think we should better enable competition in the tech space and stop some of these mafia business monopoly tactics.
Some companies are just disgustingly greedy. I pay for a new TV, for example, and that thing is trying to download ads and report my usage non-stop and I paid fairly to own the device. I'd support any political party that actually wants to protect consumers from the nonsense business pull.
If you'd be happy paying for ad-free search and AI experience, consider Kagi.
yet another Kagi shiller.
they are still pulling results from Bing. they are partially powered by their own engine, but it has a minor database of sites when compared to Bing.
And needing to have an account is just horrible for privacy.
No it's not horrible for privacy it's literally just for billing which payment can be made anonymously too. They don't even verify the email address you use. So much misinformation in this thread. Go Google your info before you present it as fact.
it is a fact. you have to be logged in to do a search or use an API key which directly associates your search query with your account.
Let's say you don't give them a real email, that's good. Maybe you're using Tor or a VPN and they don't get your IP. And somehow you manage to make your payment anonymously. That's great.
Well, Kagi is still getting all your search queries which are directly associated with one account. We don't have their server's code. We don't know how or what are they logging. They can claim whatever in their privacy policy, I don't care. A single entity is receiving all your search queries directly linked to your pseudonymous account. This gives them a vast amount of data about the person using it, even if they do not know who you are, probably very sensitive information too.
Let's make a huge assumption and assume they are not correlating your search queries and they do not use this information for anything. Well, a third party actor with access to their servers could very well make use of this vast amount of personal data, whether it is a government, their hosting provider, a malicious actor, a security breach, etc.
And that's considering the best case in which you were covering your tracks hiding your IP all the time and making anonymous payments, which, being honests, most Kagi users don't do. So yeah, Kagi is a privacy nightmare.
To say it's a privacy nightmare in the context of a Google thread is just not accurate. If they associated search queries with your account then they'd be breaking their own privacy policy and opening themselves up to lawsuits.
I feel like this is a fair, even if incredibly skeptical, take on kagi. I am a kagi user and I had that exact thought when I started using it. How can you even function as a search engine if you dont capture searches at least in aggregate--so you can tune or shape your algorithms?
That said, I didn't start using them strictly for privacy. I started using them because they were giving me the best results I'd gotten from any search engine in a long time. And I didn't have to
And while I wouldn't necessarily say Kagi is the gold-standard for privacy, their business model is, at the very least, aligned with providing good search results. Google is an advertising company masquerading as a search engine. They have some incredibly perverse incentives for how they delivery results.
wtf that was not misinformation. you need to be logged in when making searches, they can log everything you search server-side and tie it to the same person.
every time I search something in SearXNG they have no way of telling I'm the same person if my IP has changed. but this is impossible with Kagi. they need to know your account.
they have basically 0 transparency of their server side, we don't have any code. It's like trusting a VPN provider not to log your every connection because "trust me, bro". this is a necessary risk for using a VPN but not for search engines and I wouldn't recommend anyone to take such a risk when better alternatives exist.
Then they must break their own privacy policy.
a privacy policy, as I said, is a "trust me, bro". they don't give any actual proof.
that by searching through a SearXNG instance in a .onion domain they have no idea of who I am and they can't associate it with any other of my searches, is a verifiable fact.
that Kagi isn't correlating search logs, isn't.
I'll trust verifiable facts over blind trust any day. and you should too.