▲ 306 ▼ [CW: Slurs] Any attempt to connect with my dad immediately turns into "Woke liberals are ruining the world." (lemmy.ca) submitted 2 years ago by Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world NSFW 97 comments fedilink hide all child comments NSFW'd for language.
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -54 points 2 years ago (7 children) So if there’s certain material which, whenever a person encounters it, changes their mind, how do you account for that? Wouldn’t the simplest explanation for that be that this material contains compelling arguments people aren’t seeing outside that material? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca [S] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children) The History Channel makes compelling arguments for how extra-terrestrials built the pyramids. Compelling doesn't always equal true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pantsu_professor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this case I’m using to to mean compelling to people with a brain, not just “history channel made a speculation so I’m sold” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* If you're taken in by conspiracy theories, it's not because the information is compelling-but-unseen, but rather because you want to believe that A) information that confirms your biases is true B) you are privy to knowledge others don't have. These two things reinforce one another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SirWifflesprouts@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago Sure, but something can be "compelling" for any number of reasons and truth or accuracy don't need to factor in. People like to hear what makes them feel good or confirms their existing beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) In much the same way that meth is "compelling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -13 points 2 years ago So your model of why conservative views stick for some people is that they cause massive dopamine surges like a drug? Is it some kind of kundalini yoga mantra that tickles the roof of the mouth just right to activate the natural meth? And when considering that explanation versus the alternate explanation that they might have some good points, the magic meth words story is the one you’d go with? permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Enticing arguments. The rightwing media gives an enticing view of the world, to a certain demographic. Compelling would be more if we saw people from all walks of life being convinced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or, and I know this is really out there, but maybe, just maybe, facts don't actually care about your feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but you have no idea what claims are in these materials, because you think they’re too toxic to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Completely untrue. I'm not afraid of news outlets. I'm not afraid of what the "others" have to say Pretty sure you're talking about yourself here, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ooh man! You’re rubber I’m glue. What a deft turnaround! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Was it? You proud of those words? Cause everyone else here thinks you're an idiot... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saltblue@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago this material contains compelling arguments Maybe for idiots permalink fedilink source parent [+] Yawnder@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca [S] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children) The History Channel makes compelling arguments for how extra-terrestrials built the pyramids. Compelling doesn't always equal true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pantsu_professor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this case I’m using to to mean compelling to people with a brain, not just “history channel made a speculation so I’m sold” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* If you're taken in by conspiracy theories, it's not because the information is compelling-but-unseen, but rather because you want to believe that A) information that confirms your biases is true B) you are privy to knowledge others don't have. These two things reinforce one another. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pantsu_professor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) In this case I’m using to to mean compelling to people with a brain, not just “history channel made a speculation so I’m sold” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* If you're taken in by conspiracy theories, it's not because the information is compelling-but-unseen, but rather because you want to believe that A) information that confirms your biases is true B) you are privy to knowledge others don't have. These two things reinforce one another. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* If you're taken in by conspiracy theories, it's not because the information is compelling-but-unseen, but rather because you want to believe that A) information that confirms your biases is true B) you are privy to knowledge others don't have. These two things reinforce one another. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SirWifflesprouts@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago Sure, but something can be "compelling" for any number of reasons and truth or accuracy don't need to factor in. People like to hear what makes them feel good or confirms their existing beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) In much the same way that meth is "compelling" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -13 points 2 years ago So your model of why conservative views stick for some people is that they cause massive dopamine surges like a drug? Is it some kind of kundalini yoga mantra that tickles the roof of the mouth just right to activate the natural meth? And when considering that explanation versus the alternate explanation that they might have some good points, the magic meth words story is the one you’d go with? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -13 points 2 years ago So your model of why conservative views stick for some people is that they cause massive dopamine surges like a drug? Is it some kind of kundalini yoga mantra that tickles the roof of the mouth just right to activate the natural meth? And when considering that explanation versus the alternate explanation that they might have some good points, the magic meth words story is the one you’d go with? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago Enticing arguments. The rightwing media gives an enticing view of the world, to a certain demographic. Compelling would be more if we saw people from all walks of life being convinced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or, and I know this is really out there, but maybe, just maybe, facts don't actually care about your feelings. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but you have no idea what claims are in these materials, because you think they’re too toxic to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Completely untrue. I'm not afraid of news outlets. I'm not afraid of what the "others" have to say Pretty sure you're talking about yourself here, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ooh man! You’re rubber I’m glue. What a deft turnaround! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Was it? You proud of those words? Cause everyone else here thinks you're an idiot... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah but you have no idea what claims are in these materials, because you think they’re too toxic to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Completely untrue. I'm not afraid of news outlets. I'm not afraid of what the "others" have to say Pretty sure you're talking about yourself here, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ooh man! You’re rubber I’m glue. What a deft turnaround! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Was it? You proud of those words? Cause everyone else here thinks you're an idiot... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Completely untrue. I'm not afraid of news outlets. I'm not afraid of what the "others" have to say Pretty sure you're talking about yourself here, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ooh man! You’re rubber I’m glue. What a deft turnaround! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Was it? You proud of those words? Cause everyone else here thinks you're an idiot... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ooh man! You’re rubber I’m glue. What a deft turnaround! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Was it? You proud of those words? Cause everyone else here thinks you're an idiot... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Was it? You proud of those words? Cause everyone else here thinks you're an idiot... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saltblue@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago this material contains compelling arguments Maybe for idiots permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Yawnder@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
