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Why does this community, which is privacy oriented, use Discord rather than Matrix? (lemm.ee)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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On the side bar it lists the following:

  • [Matrix/Element]Dead
  • Discord

"Discord" is an active link, but the Matrix link is completely inactive. Not only is it inactive (which could have be excused as a broken link), but it is also manually labeled as "Dead", as if there is no intention of making it work. How can a community that is focused on privacy willingly favor a service that is privacy non-respecting when a perfectly functional privacy-respecting alternative exists?

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[–] 7 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

Unlike P2P, messenges are sent over easily replacable relay servers so both parties don't have to be online at the same time to exchange messenges.

SimpleX is special because it is the only messenger that has no permanent user identifiers whatsoever. Not even a randomly generated string of characters and numbers. This implies a LOT more privacy and security, especially for metadata-protection.

The server of Signal for example can't read your messages, but they know who sent how many messages at what time to which people. They know your entire graph of social connections. SimpleX does not.

Here's a comparison with other messengers: https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/blob/stable/docs/SIMPLEX.md#comparison-with-other-protocols

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    That's interesting. How do you connect to people you know then if there is no identity? Sounds a stupid question but I don't get it. You send a link? A qr? Or a temporary id like I'm Mike999 for the next 30 minutes and you tell your friend?

    Finally something that sounds like speaking to someone in real life without eavesdropping. How it should be.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes, to first connect to someone you share a qr code with them or send them a link. The medium in which you share the link does not have to be secure, it is only to make the first connection between the two of you.

    Here's a high-level overview explaining how it is possible that there are no user identifiers. Basically, with each contact you agree on different servers which relay your messages. You get separate communication tunnels for every contact. And these tunnels can be replaced by other tunnels at any time.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It's decentralized, which therefore makes it harder than even Session.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It tries its best to be user friendly tho, that's a main concern of the dev. You should hear him talk in the main support group, he's really good.

    You can also connect to the dev directly to express any concerns or ask questions. He will actually listen to you and shift his focus if multiple people tell him the same thing.

    However, the software is only a few years old (much younger than all the other established messengers) and may not be ready for public use yet, but surely in the future.

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