▲ 603 ▼ Scrollbars are becoming a problem (artemis.sh) submitted 2 years ago by KelsonV@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 162 comments fedilink hide all child comments Too narrow, hidden, minimal feedback...
[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (13 children) And just straight up broken by idiocy like infinite scroll. permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] zeddiq@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (7 children) I would imagine the same designer who implements infinite scroll would also design bad scrollbars permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (6 children) I recently had to talk a designer out of implementing a “webpage progress indicator” that was a thin horizontal bar across the top of the page that filled in as you progressed through the content. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) A few pages have those. What don't you like about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are bad replicas of school bars. Except you can't use these to scroll the page and they use horizontal progress to express vertical progress. Everything they do could be done more effectively by having a visible scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crabArms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I don't see them as scroll bar replicas; good ones are very narrow but high contrast, to easily offer a compact visual sense of article length -- rather than page length, an important distinction when there are cited sources, recommended articles, and a footer menu. Different functions. IMO, they should coexist with a well-designed vertical scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Unless they were copying it from somewhere else, what were their arguments to implement it? Is it about gamefication of reading an article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Turun@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago I like it for articles. It shows progress through the text, not down the page, which are two different metrics which can differ wildly. permalink fedilink source parent [+] zeddiq@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zerofk@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Most fun are the infinite scroll pages with a footer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _number8_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago links that are only modal floater windows drive me insane too. this isn't anything! make a website! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, it's difficult to figure out how to present large amounts of information in a usable fashion. So let's just NOT EVEN FUCKING BOTHER and just put everything into a gigantically long list instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* It's not that it's difficult, this method encourages “doomscrolling” because the user doesn't actively decide to go to the next page. The Nielsen Norman Group observes that “infinite scrolling minimizes interaction costs and increases user engagement.” Infinite scroll keeps users engaged and on the page because the page never ends: there is always something more to see, no wait to see it, and very few interactions. permalink fedilink source parent [+] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zeddiq@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (7 children) I would imagine the same designer who implements infinite scroll would also design bad scrollbars permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (6 children) I recently had to talk a designer out of implementing a “webpage progress indicator” that was a thin horizontal bar across the top of the page that filled in as you progressed through the content. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) A few pages have those. What don't you like about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are bad replicas of school bars. Except you can't use these to scroll the page and they use horizontal progress to express vertical progress. Everything they do could be done more effectively by having a visible scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crabArms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I don't see them as scroll bar replicas; good ones are very narrow but high contrast, to easily offer a compact visual sense of article length -- rather than page length, an important distinction when there are cited sources, recommended articles, and a footer menu. Different functions. IMO, they should coexist with a well-designed vertical scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Unless they were copying it from somewhere else, what were their arguments to implement it? Is it about gamefication of reading an article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Turun@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago I like it for articles. It shows progress through the text, not down the page, which are two different metrics which can differ wildly. permalink fedilink source parent [+] zeddiq@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (6 children) I recently had to talk a designer out of implementing a “webpage progress indicator” that was a thin horizontal bar across the top of the page that filled in as you progressed through the content. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) A few pages have those. What don't you like about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are bad replicas of school bars. Except you can't use these to scroll the page and they use horizontal progress to express vertical progress. Everything they do could be done more effectively by having a visible scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crabArms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I don't see them as scroll bar replicas; good ones are very narrow but high contrast, to easily offer a compact visual sense of article length -- rather than page length, an important distinction when there are cited sources, recommended articles, and a footer menu. Different functions. IMO, they should coexist with a well-designed vertical scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Unless they were copying it from somewhere else, what were their arguments to implement it? Is it about gamefication of reading an article? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Turun@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago I like it for articles. It shows progress through the text, not down the page, which are two different metrics which can differ wildly. permalink fedilink source parent [+] zeddiq@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) A few pages have those. What don't you like about them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are bad replicas of school bars. Except you can't use these to scroll the page and they use horizontal progress to express vertical progress. Everything they do could be done more effectively by having a visible scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crabArms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I don't see them as scroll bar replicas; good ones are very narrow but high contrast, to easily offer a compact visual sense of article length -- rather than page length, an important distinction when there are cited sources, recommended articles, and a footer menu. Different functions. IMO, they should coexist with a well-designed vertical scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Unless they were copying it from somewhere else, what were their arguments to implement it? Is it about gamefication of reading an article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are bad replicas of school bars. Except you can't use these to scroll the page and they use horizontal progress to express vertical progress. Everything they do could be done more effectively by having a visible scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] crabArms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I don't see them as scroll bar replicas; good ones are very narrow but high contrast, to easily offer a compact visual sense of article length -- rather than page length, an important distinction when there are cited sources, recommended articles, and a footer menu. Different functions. IMO, they should coexist with a well-designed vertical scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Unless they were copying it from somewhere else, what were their arguments to implement it? Is it about gamefication of reading an article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crabArms@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I don't see them as scroll bar replicas; good ones are very narrow but high contrast, to easily offer a compact visual sense of article length -- rather than page length, an important distinction when there are cited sources, recommended articles, and a footer menu. Different functions. IMO, they should coexist with a well-designed vertical scroll bar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Unless they were copying it from somewhere else, what were their arguments to implement it? Is it about gamefication of reading an article? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Turun@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago I like it for articles. It shows progress through the text, not down the page, which are two different metrics which can differ wildly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Most fun are the infinite scroll pages with a footer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago links that are only modal floater windows drive me insane too. this isn't anything! make a website! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, it's difficult to figure out how to present large amounts of information in a usable fashion. So let's just NOT EVEN FUCKING BOTHER and just put everything into a gigantically long list instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* It's not that it's difficult, this method encourages “doomscrolling” because the user doesn't actively decide to go to the next page. The Nielsen Norman Group observes that “infinite scrolling minimizes interaction costs and increases user engagement.” Infinite scroll keeps users engaged and on the page because the page never ends: there is always something more to see, no wait to see it, and very few interactions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* It's not that it's difficult, this method encourages “doomscrolling” because the user doesn't actively decide to go to the next page. The Nielsen Norman Group observes that “infinite scrolling minimizes interaction costs and increases user engagement.” Infinite scroll keeps users engaged and on the page because the page never ends: there is always something more to see, no wait to see it, and very few interactions. permalink fedilink source parent