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Hundreds dead in Israel and Gaza, thousands injured after Hamas launches rockets, Israel declares war (abcnews.go.com)
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Over 100 Israelis have died and more than 900 were injured after rockets were fired from Gaza by Hamas militants, Israeli officials said Saturday.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said 198 were killed in Gaza and at least 1,610 were injured Saturday in retaliatory attacks from Israel.

"We are at war. We will win," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday.

The Israeli Defense Forces earlier declared "a state of alert for war," according to a statement issued by the IDF.

"Over the past hour, the Hamas terrorist organization launched massive barrages of rockets from Gaza into Israel, and its terrorist operatives have infiltrated into Israel in a number of different locations in the south," the IDF said early Saturday.

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[–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

How much further back is a "little further"? My grandmother was one of the people who fled in 1948. The place her grandparents also lived. You're talking about what 300 years ago? 400? More? Forgive me if I care very little about a claim to a land that is older than Shakespeare.

I don't care about a "historical claim" I care about the people who were living in the land and were forcebly ousted in a time frame where the people who were originally ousted are still alive.

Also they were not "nomads" you fuckin racist. My great grandparents had land, a home, a community that were all taken from them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're making an arbitrary claim as though it's objective. Why is displacement in 1948 justification for historical claim, but expulsion in 1917 not? Beginning 1914 during WW1, many Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Ottoman authorities as enemy nationals, since they had immigrated from countries now at war with the Ottoman Empire. In 1917, the Ottoman authorities carried out the Tel Aviv and Jaffa deportation, expelling the entire Jewish civilian populations of Tel Aviv and Jaffa. Many deportees subsequently died from hunger and disease. Surely those Jews have just as much claim to live in Israel as the Palestinians displaced by the 1947 UN partition plan.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The 1914 deportations were of Russian Jewish people. If any Russians claim they have rights to the land then sure, I'll buy that, but I don't care for one's religion and I don't believe the Jewish people who were brought to Palestine in the 40s were of Russian descent.

    Only 1/3 of the population that was deported in 1917 were Jewish. The rest were Muslims and Christians and had nothing to do with religion. Under British rule all the people deported in 1917 were allowed to return. So they got their claim when they were allowed to return, it really is unfortunate how many died due to the conditions they were sent into, and I'm not defending the actions of any State.

    Russians being deported and people who were allowed to return makes those claims barely anything compared to the Palestinians who were ousted multiple times in the last 100 years and not allowed to return, with the ones remaining living in apartheid.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The 1914 deportations were of Russian Jewish people.

    This sounds like you're defending ethnic deportation. It doesn't matter which passport the Jews held. They were expelled.

    Only 1/3 of the population that was deported in 1917 were Jewish.

    I am clearly and specifically talking about the Jews, not the Muslims or Christians.

    Under British rule all the people deported in 1917 were allowed to return.

    But they were not given their land and houses back. They were displaced, just like some Palestinians in 1948.

    I'm struggling to believe you could argue the ways the Jews were treated is better. If anything, it was much worse. The Palestinians have never been wholesale deported, only displaced within the same nation.

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    This sounds like you're defending ethnic deportation. It doesn't matter which passport the Jews held. They were expelled.

    I'm only pointing out that the deportation had nothing to do with their Jewish heritage.

    I am clearly and specifically talking about the Jews, not the Muslims or Christians.

    And I'm clearly and specifically pointing out that it had nothing to do with them being Jewish so it is very different from what was done to the Palestinians which was targeted at them.

    But they were not given their land and houses back. They were displaced

    Just like the Palestinians were displaced in the late 1800s by the Ottoman empire selling the land they lived on to Jewish people.

    The Palestinians have never been wholesale deported, only displaced within the same nation.

    Half the Palestinians living there were forced to flee their homes in 1948. I'm clearly not arguing with someone who lives in reality as evidenced by this line

    just like some Palestinians in 1948.

    If by some you mean 700k compared to the 10k total displaced in 1917 (of which only 1/3 were Jewish) the sure I guess more than 70 times can be considered some, but at that point words mean nothing and there is no point in continuing this discussion.

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