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[–] 102 points 3 years ago (95 children)

It always confuses me to learn that when people want to ban smoking it somehow means ban "cigarettes" and not "nicotine"

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  • [–] 39 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (14 children)

    Because smoking is WILDLY more harmful than vaping.

    Yes vaping has SOME health risks, but it's like saying drinking tea and drinking four loko are just as bad because they both have caffeine

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  • [–] 43 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Bro what tea are you drinking that has nicotine

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    I can only imagine they meant caffeine, another common drug that's heavily abused but a little more socially accepted

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    Well what's wrong with nicotine? In itself it's not worse than booze. It's all the other crap they add that makes it so terrible

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  • [–] 45 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    Hi from the depths of a nicotine addiction and struggling to quit. Its a worthless chemical that gets more expensive everyday and my brain SCREAMS at me for a fix if I try to go more than even a few hours. At least heroin gets you high.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I mean I'm no expert but I do have some knowledge on the subject.

    The difference is how you injest it. Our stomachs are much more resilient than our lungs. Your stomach is, for all intents and purposes, a sac of acid that dissolves mostly anything you put in it, your lungs on the other hand literally only do 1 thing all day and it's breathe air. There are different qualities of air of course, and microparticles in it that could cause harm, but on the whole it's more or less all the same.

    Its like dumping garbage into a sink vs. a paper bag. The sink will get disgusting, and you may end up with a clogged drain, messed up pipes, or worse. But at the end of the day if you just clean the mess and don't do it too often it will probably be fine. The paper bag on the other hand is gonna get Soggy, gross, and start falling apart in your hands. You can dry it out but it will never quite be the same..

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    There are different qualities of air of course, and microparticles in it that could cause harm, but on the whole it’s more or less all the same.

    Absolutely, and that's the problem. The same argument you just posed could also be used against intentionally smelling flowers, or sticking your nose over a pot of boiling broth to smell that chicken deliciousness.

    We don't know that vaped nicotine is more harmful than most things we breathe. In fact, I'd say there are non-drug things people do that we already know to be worse than vaping. Ever go camping? The smoke from that fire is worse than vaping, worse than almost any substance you might want to smoke.

    So the question is how bad vaping (the action, not the drug) is. Is it as bad as sniffing a rose, as bad as lighting a scented candle? As bad as incense? As bad as a campfire? If, as many suspect, it's near the beginning of that scale, then the only critique we can rightly have is towards the substance vaped. If it's near the end of the scale, we kinda need some research to support that claim.

    Its like dumping garbage into a sink vs. a paper bag

    As of yet, the medical and scientific community have not found solid evidence that it's "like...garbage" at all if you don't like it on fire.

    Which is where things get complicated. Because it MIGHT be terrible for you. Or it might not be bad at all.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    Well, nicotine isn't the part of smoking that causes cancer

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    But it's the part that is addictive and keeps you smoking.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If addiction is a problem, should the general use of caffine be banned then? Thats why its kinda odd to specifically ban nicotine.

    Choosing to ban specifically nicotine and not caffine is as silly as the idea that cigarettes should be legal but weed shouldnt.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Probably, yes. Even the age restrictions are kinda silly.

    I do think it's ok to ban sale of "prepared smokables" like cigarettes. The harm level is known to be severe. But if someone wants to buy their own tobacco+papers and roll their own cigarettes, that's on them.

    Of course, I don't think it would be effective to ban cigarettes. Just ethically coherent.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    If it's not too harmful - what's the problem with being addicted? I'm addicted to coffee and drink at least two cups per day, as do most people around here.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Nobody out there is just buying Nicotine gum for the flavor. The overwhelming majority are struggling with an addiction that may one day kill them.

    Also, as a former smoker of over 20 years as well as a current coffee addict, I can tell you from personal experience that there is no comparison between the two. Some substances are simply more addictive than others. Nicotine is one of the worst on the planet.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    The full effects of vaping are not well understood, and while they're almost certainly not as bad as cigarettes, they're also almost certainly still bad for you, and they are indeed still addictive for the same reasons as cigarettes because they still use nicotine.

    Further, one main reason their risks remain as poorly understood as they do is that (again, because of the same active ingredient) people who vape often also use cigarettes. The two are closely linked, I don't think my confusion should be so easily dismissed as that.

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