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[–] 183 points 3 years ago (125 children)

Everyone here is arguing the benefits of prohibition. I'm just interested to know how much money Rishi (and/or his family members/friends/donors) have invested in vaping and nicotine alternatives.

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  • [–] 102 points 3 years ago (95 children)

    It always confuses me to learn that when people want to ban smoking it somehow means ban "cigarettes" and not "nicotine"

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  • [–] 39 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (14 children)

    Because smoking is WILDLY more harmful than vaping.

    Yes vaping has SOME health risks, but it's like saying drinking tea and drinking four loko are just as bad because they both have caffeine

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  • [–] 43 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Bro what tea are you drinking that has nicotine

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    I can only imagine they meant caffeine, another common drug that's heavily abused but a little more socially accepted

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    Well what's wrong with nicotine? In itself it's not worse than booze. It's all the other crap they add that makes it so terrible

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  • [–] 45 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    Hi from the depths of a nicotine addiction and struggling to quit. Its a worthless chemical that gets more expensive everyday and my brain SCREAMS at me for a fix if I try to go more than even a few hours. At least heroin gets you high.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I mean I'm no expert but I do have some knowledge on the subject.

    The difference is how you injest it. Our stomachs are much more resilient than our lungs. Your stomach is, for all intents and purposes, a sac of acid that dissolves mostly anything you put in it, your lungs on the other hand literally only do 1 thing all day and it's breathe air. There are different qualities of air of course, and microparticles in it that could cause harm, but on the whole it's more or less all the same.

    Its like dumping garbage into a sink vs. a paper bag. The sink will get disgusting, and you may end up with a clogged drain, messed up pipes, or worse. But at the end of the day if you just clean the mess and don't do it too often it will probably be fine. The paper bag on the other hand is gonna get Soggy, gross, and start falling apart in your hands. You can dry it out but it will never quite be the same..

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    There are different qualities of air of course, and microparticles in it that could cause harm, but on the whole it’s more or less all the same.

    Absolutely, and that's the problem. The same argument you just posed could also be used against intentionally smelling flowers, or sticking your nose over a pot of boiling broth to smell that chicken deliciousness.

    We don't know that vaped nicotine is more harmful than most things we breathe. In fact, I'd say there are non-drug things people do that we already know to be worse than vaping. Ever go camping? The smoke from that fire is worse than vaping, worse than almost any substance you might want to smoke.

    So the question is how bad vaping (the action, not the drug) is. Is it as bad as sniffing a rose, as bad as lighting a scented candle? As bad as incense? As bad as a campfire? If, as many suspect, it's near the beginning of that scale, then the only critique we can rightly have is towards the substance vaped. If it's near the end of the scale, we kinda need some research to support that claim.

    Its like dumping garbage into a sink vs. a paper bag

    As of yet, the medical and scientific community have not found solid evidence that it's "like...garbage" at all if you don't like it on fire.

    Which is where things get complicated. Because it MIGHT be terrible for you. Or it might not be bad at all.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    Well, nicotine isn't the part of smoking that causes cancer

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    But it's the part that is addictive and keeps you smoking.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    A lot of the alternatives are already owned by Big Tobacco

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago* (8 children)

    You can go EU-way and say that all vapes should be rechargable(in both meanings), repairable and intercompatible. Basically opposite of what Big Tabacco does.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Disposable vapes should be banned.

    Though even the reusable ones generate a decent amount of waste between coil assemblies that get replaced and the plastic bottles the juice comes in. I mean, I hope we eventually get to managing waste at that level, though I'm not holding my breath since it would require huge changes to the way we handle food logistics, which eclipses vape juice waste by a lot per person.

    But the disposable ones are ridiculous.

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