▲ 427 ▼ What's a true fact that is so misleading it's borderline misinformation? (lemmy.world) submitted 3 years ago by 6mementomori@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml 319 comments fedilink hide all child comments What would be some fact that, while true, could be told in a context or way that is misinfomating or make the other person draw incorrect conclusions?
[–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.ml 82 points 3 years ago* (11 children) 'true fact'. Facts cannot be anything except for true. Anyone who uses the two words 'true fact' together cannot be trusted because they know neither the meaning of the word 'true' or the word 'fact'. permalink fedilink source hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] Stan@lemmywinks.com 16 points 3 years ago Oh how I miss the before times. permalink fedilink source parent [–] koreth@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Counterpoint: True Facts is a great series of humorous nature documentaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 3 years ago Imagine trying to move by riding a unicycle backwards and throwing up through a giant straw. That is how the nautilus do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Therefore@aussie.zone 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm so sorry but it's either/or & neither/nor. Gotta follow through with the negation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago That's very negative, however I must concur that it's a fact the correlative conjunctions were incorrectly placed to negate the possibilities. Whether that fact is true or not is up to you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 3 years ago True facts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] myslsl@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I can't trust you on this because you are using the words 'true fact'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 3 points 3 years ago What about "alternative facts"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Facts are just objective statements, which can be either true or false, but whichever they are it is objective and not dependant on the observer. I mean, it's a semantic argument, and semantics is subjective, but that's probably how the people who say 'true fact' are defining fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) No, a statement can be true or false. A fact is always true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's why I clarified that the definition of any word, including the word fact, is subjective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No it’s not or we’ll bicker over every word and square could mean triangle. We have agreed upon word definitions. That’s part of a language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] milo128@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago this must be one of those false facts permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 2 points 3 years ago That's a true fact! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Natural language is inherently imprecise. Boom, pedants shook. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Who called the tautology police? permalink fedilink source parent [–] JasonDJ@vlemmy.net 1 point 3 years ago I see your “True Facts” and raise you Kellyanne Conway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Stan@lemmywinks.com 16 points 3 years ago Oh how I miss the before times. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] koreth@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Counterpoint: True Facts is a great series of humorous nature documentaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 3 years ago Imagine trying to move by riding a unicycle backwards and throwing up through a giant straw. That is how the nautilus do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 3 years ago Imagine trying to move by riding a unicycle backwards and throwing up through a giant straw. That is how the nautilus do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Therefore@aussie.zone 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm so sorry but it's either/or & neither/nor. Gotta follow through with the negation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago That's very negative, however I must concur that it's a fact the correlative conjunctions were incorrectly placed to negate the possibilities. Whether that fact is true or not is up to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BendyLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago That's very negative, however I must concur that it's a fact the correlative conjunctions were incorrectly placed to negate the possibilities. Whether that fact is true or not is up to you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myslsl@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I can't trust you on this because you are using the words 'true fact'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 3 points 3 years ago What about "alternative facts"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Facts are just objective statements, which can be either true or false, but whichever they are it is objective and not dependant on the observer. I mean, it's a semantic argument, and semantics is subjective, but that's probably how the people who say 'true fact' are defining fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) No, a statement can be true or false. A fact is always true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's why I clarified that the definition of any word, including the word fact, is subjective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No it’s not or we’ll bicker over every word and square could mean triangle. We have agreed upon word definitions. That’s part of a language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] milo128@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago this must be one of those false facts permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lorez@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) No, a statement can be true or false. A fact is always true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's why I clarified that the definition of any word, including the word fact, is subjective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No it’s not or we’ll bicker over every word and square could mean triangle. We have agreed upon word definitions. That’s part of a language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's why I clarified that the definition of any word, including the word fact, is subjective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No it’s not or we’ll bicker over every word and square could mean triangle. We have agreed upon word definitions. That’s part of a language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lorez@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No it’s not or we’ll bicker over every word and square could mean triangle. We have agreed upon word definitions. That’s part of a language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Language is constantly evolving. Deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That doesn’t mean that word definitions are absolutely not arbitrary nor subjective. They are agreed upon in a civilization at any given time. I don’t have to deal with anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] milo128@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago this must be one of those false facts permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 2 points 3 years ago That's a true fact! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago Natural language is inherently imprecise. Boom, pedants shook. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Who called the tautology police? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@vlemmy.net 1 point 3 years ago I see your “True Facts” and raise you Kellyanne Conway. permalink fedilink source parent