▲ 134 ▼ RPG experts on why we love Baldur's Gate 3, and the future of the genre (www.rockpapershotgun.com) submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/games@lemmy.world 33 comments fedilink hide all child comments Developers and experts in CRPGs give us their takes on why Baldur's Gate 3 and RPGs in general seize the public's imagi…
[+] mriormro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 39 points 2 years ago Please use spoiler tags permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayaya@lemdro.id 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I haven't played it myself (yet) but apparently Divinity Original Sin 2 was similar and the "Definitive Edition" that came about a year later fixed Act 3. So I hope the same thing happens for BG3. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ono@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did owners of the unfinished edition have to pay more for the Definitive Edition? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Renosthegreat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) It came as a free update! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* I recall that it was added automatically to my library, as a separate game. But it shared save game files. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I hope they do. Again, I've gotten plenty of enjoyment from the game that I'm willing to give Larian the opportunity to fix that last Act. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I loved acts 1 and 2. But, somehow I made it through those without any mention of the names Gortash or Orin, so for them to show up at the end of act 2 and suddenly THIS is the bigger bad beyond ketheric was...weird. and then, the transition into act 3 felt very poorly executed, suddenly Gortash is THE head Duke of all of baldurs gate? Whyls dad is now mind controlled and there was no option to prevent that from happening? Just felt a little railroady after all the branching upon branching of the first two acts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm telling this because I assume you have finished the game: Gortash is related to Karlach's backstory so you can get some hints from before, and Orin is related to Dark Urge's backstory so yeah, same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) See that's an issue, I didn't use karlach and I didn't play dark urge so I didn't get any of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago That's not an issue, that's an rpg: the ability to make different choices (informed and uninformed) leads to different experiences and different events each with knockon effects for thr story. It's only a problem if the game isn't clever enough to account for all of the different things you've done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC you also hear about Gortash from Councilor Florrick in the Last Light Inn. She says she's going to ask him for help against Ketheric. I also remember reading about Gortash and Orin while rummaging through Ketheric's things in Moonrise. They definitely were not featured prominently but they were hinted at if you go looking! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You have pictures and visions of the 3 leaders from the goblins. In the ruined town and in the goblin fortress. They are hints for gortash and orin in various other places too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago There are hints of the cult of Bhaal and Gortash taking over all over acts 1 and 2. I just found a note in act 1 in the entry to the zent basement talking about Gortash. The goblins talk about their 3 leaders, and you quickly understand that they're not the goblin, the drow and the hobgoblin. Ketheric was merely the first step, and saving the duke comes in act 3. There are many pathes to save him or not. Really that's not railroad that's happening, that's vilains having more in their bag that you'd hope for. These are good vilains, and it is a good story. Far better than a story that doesn't move forward and has its vilains protected by scenarium. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ono@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I wonder if Thursday's patch will help with any of that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frogster8@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah brilliant, lots of huge spoilers, nice one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What part exactly is a spoiler? That you can fight Raphael? Something that anyone can intuit the moment you meet the character. That the game comes in three acts? That the game has an ending? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Basically everything including and past Gortach becoming the Duke. I’m in the beginning of Act 3 and had no idea there was a Raphael fight until your comment. Talking about plot points in the last act of the game, yes, is going to be a spoiler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mentioned nothing about Gortach nor any plot points for the last act. Over-policing of 'spoilers' is getting pretty ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry, I conflated your comment with the reply to yours which is full of spoilers. I still had no idea that there was a Raphael fight until you brought it up. Anything in Act 3 is pretty much a spoiler, since it only just came out on PS5 and a lot of folks won’t have gotten there yet. Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. Not everyone has finished the game yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Larian is largely getting a free pass for an unoptimized mess in act 2 and 3. Pent up demand for a good CRPG has made a lot of gold completely ignore the very obvious issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 39 points 2 years ago Please use spoiler tags permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I haven't played it myself (yet) but apparently Divinity Original Sin 2 was similar and the "Definitive Edition" that came about a year later fixed Act 3. So I hope the same thing happens for BG3. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ono@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did owners of the unfinished edition have to pay more for the Definitive Edition? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Renosthegreat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) It came as a free update! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* I recall that it was added automatically to my library, as a separate game. But it shared save game files. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I hope they do. Again, I've gotten plenty of enjoyment from the game that I'm willing to give Larian the opportunity to fix that last Act. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ono@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did owners of the unfinished edition have to pay more for the Definitive Edition? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Renosthegreat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) It came as a free update! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* I recall that it was added automatically to my library, as a separate game. But it shared save game files. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Renosthegreat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) It came as a free update! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* I recall that it was added automatically to my library, as a separate game. But it shared save game files. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* I recall that it was added automatically to my library, as a separate game. But it shared save game files. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I hope they do. Again, I've gotten plenty of enjoyment from the game that I'm willing to give Larian the opportunity to fix that last Act. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I loved acts 1 and 2. But, somehow I made it through those without any mention of the names Gortash or Orin, so for them to show up at the end of act 2 and suddenly THIS is the bigger bad beyond ketheric was...weird. and then, the transition into act 3 felt very poorly executed, suddenly Gortash is THE head Duke of all of baldurs gate? Whyls dad is now mind controlled and there was no option to prevent that from happening? Just felt a little railroady after all the branching upon branching of the first two acts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm telling this because I assume you have finished the game: Gortash is related to Karlach's backstory so you can get some hints from before, and Orin is related to Dark Urge's backstory so yeah, same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) See that's an issue, I didn't use karlach and I didn't play dark urge so I didn't get any of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago That's not an issue, that's an rpg: the ability to make different choices (informed and uninformed) leads to different experiences and different events each with knockon effects for thr story. It's only a problem if the game isn't clever enough to account for all of the different things you've done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC you also hear about Gortash from Councilor Florrick in the Last Light Inn. She says she's going to ask him for help against Ketheric. I also remember reading about Gortash and Orin while rummaging through Ketheric's things in Moonrise. They definitely were not featured prominently but they were hinted at if you go looking! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You have pictures and visions of the 3 leaders from the goblins. In the ruined town and in the goblin fortress. They are hints for gortash and orin in various other places too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago There are hints of the cult of Bhaal and Gortash taking over all over acts 1 and 2. I just found a note in act 1 in the entry to the zent basement talking about Gortash. The goblins talk about their 3 leaders, and you quickly understand that they're not the goblin, the drow and the hobgoblin. Ketheric was merely the first step, and saving the duke comes in act 3. There are many pathes to save him or not. Really that's not railroad that's happening, that's vilains having more in their bag that you'd hope for. These are good vilains, and it is a good story. Far better than a story that doesn't move forward and has its vilains protected by scenarium. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm telling this because I assume you have finished the game: Gortash is related to Karlach's backstory so you can get some hints from before, and Orin is related to Dark Urge's backstory so yeah, same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) See that's an issue, I didn't use karlach and I didn't play dark urge so I didn't get any of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago That's not an issue, that's an rpg: the ability to make different choices (informed and uninformed) leads to different experiences and different events each with knockon effects for thr story. It's only a problem if the game isn't clever enough to account for all of the different things you've done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC you also hear about Gortash from Councilor Florrick in the Last Light Inn. She says she's going to ask him for help against Ketheric. I also remember reading about Gortash and Orin while rummaging through Ketheric's things in Moonrise. They definitely were not featured prominently but they were hinted at if you go looking! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You have pictures and visions of the 3 leaders from the goblins. In the ruined town and in the goblin fortress. They are hints for gortash and orin in various other places too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) See that's an issue, I didn't use karlach and I didn't play dark urge so I didn't get any of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago That's not an issue, that's an rpg: the ability to make different choices (informed and uninformed) leads to different experiences and different events each with knockon effects for thr story. It's only a problem if the game isn't clever enough to account for all of the different things you've done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] monkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC you also hear about Gortash from Councilor Florrick in the Last Light Inn. She says she's going to ask him for help against Ketheric. I also remember reading about Gortash and Orin while rummaging through Ketheric's things in Moonrise. They definitely were not featured prominently but they were hinted at if you go looking! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You have pictures and visions of the 3 leaders from the goblins. In the ruined town and in the goblin fortress. They are hints for gortash and orin in various other places too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago That's not an issue, that's an rpg: the ability to make different choices (informed and uninformed) leads to different experiences and different events each with knockon effects for thr story. It's only a problem if the game isn't clever enough to account for all of the different things you've done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) IIRC you also hear about Gortash from Councilor Florrick in the Last Light Inn. She says she's going to ask him for help against Ketheric. I also remember reading about Gortash and Orin while rummaging through Ketheric's things in Moonrise. They definitely were not featured prominently but they were hinted at if you go looking! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You have pictures and visions of the 3 leaders from the goblins. In the ruined town and in the goblin fortress. They are hints for gortash and orin in various other places too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You have pictures and visions of the 3 leaders from the goblins. In the ruined town and in the goblin fortress. They are hints for gortash and orin in various other places too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bouh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago There are hints of the cult of Bhaal and Gortash taking over all over acts 1 and 2. I just found a note in act 1 in the entry to the zent basement talking about Gortash. The goblins talk about their 3 leaders, and you quickly understand that they're not the goblin, the drow and the hobgoblin. Ketheric was merely the first step, and saving the duke comes in act 3. There are many pathes to save him or not. Really that's not railroad that's happening, that's vilains having more in their bag that you'd hope for. These are good vilains, and it is a good story. Far better than a story that doesn't move forward and has its vilains protected by scenarium. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ono@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I wonder if Thursday's patch will help with any of that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frogster8@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah brilliant, lots of huge spoilers, nice one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What part exactly is a spoiler? That you can fight Raphael? Something that anyone can intuit the moment you meet the character. That the game comes in three acts? That the game has an ending? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Basically everything including and past Gortach becoming the Duke. I’m in the beginning of Act 3 and had no idea there was a Raphael fight until your comment. Talking about plot points in the last act of the game, yes, is going to be a spoiler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mentioned nothing about Gortach nor any plot points for the last act. Over-policing of 'spoilers' is getting pretty ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry, I conflated your comment with the reply to yours which is full of spoilers. I still had no idea that there was a Raphael fight until you brought it up. Anything in Act 3 is pretty much a spoiler, since it only just came out on PS5 and a lot of folks won’t have gotten there yet. Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. Not everyone has finished the game yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What part exactly is a spoiler? That you can fight Raphael? Something that anyone can intuit the moment you meet the character. That the game comes in three acts? That the game has an ending? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Basically everything including and past Gortach becoming the Duke. I’m in the beginning of Act 3 and had no idea there was a Raphael fight until your comment. Talking about plot points in the last act of the game, yes, is going to be a spoiler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mentioned nothing about Gortach nor any plot points for the last act. Over-policing of 'spoilers' is getting pretty ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry, I conflated your comment with the reply to yours which is full of spoilers. I still had no idea that there was a Raphael fight until you brought it up. Anything in Act 3 is pretty much a spoiler, since it only just came out on PS5 and a lot of folks won’t have gotten there yet. Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. Not everyone has finished the game yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Basically everything including and past Gortach becoming the Duke. I’m in the beginning of Act 3 and had no idea there was a Raphael fight until your comment. Talking about plot points in the last act of the game, yes, is going to be a spoiler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mentioned nothing about Gortach nor any plot points for the last act. Over-policing of 'spoilers' is getting pretty ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry, I conflated your comment with the reply to yours which is full of spoilers. I still had no idea that there was a Raphael fight until you brought it up. Anything in Act 3 is pretty much a spoiler, since it only just came out on PS5 and a lot of folks won’t have gotten there yet. Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. Not everyone has finished the game yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mentioned nothing about Gortach nor any plot points for the last act. Over-policing of 'spoilers' is getting pretty ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry, I conflated your comment with the reply to yours which is full of spoilers. I still had no idea that there was a Raphael fight until you brought it up. Anything in Act 3 is pretty much a spoiler, since it only just came out on PS5 and a lot of folks won’t have gotten there yet. Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. Not everyone has finished the game yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry, I conflated your comment with the reply to yours which is full of spoilers. I still had no idea that there was a Raphael fight until you brought it up. Anything in Act 3 is pretty much a spoiler, since it only just came out on PS5 and a lot of folks won’t have gotten there yet. Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. Not everyone has finished the game yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mriormro@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Just be a little more vague with the details if you don’t want to use tags. I was as vague as I felt appropriate to express my opinions about the game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Larian is largely getting a free pass for an unoptimized mess in act 2 and 3. Pent up demand for a good CRPG has made a lot of gold completely ignore the very obvious issues. permalink fedilink source parent