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[CW: Transphobia] hot take: trans kids should have normal childhoods, actually (thelemmy.club)
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alt textA 4 panel comic. In the first panel, a character stands on a cliff, addressing an audience, and says "trans kids should not get puberty blockers". In the second panel, the audience, armed and labeled "cis people", looks content. In the third panel, the character on the cliff says "they should get hrt so they can go through the right puberty at the same time as their cis peers". In the fourth panel, the audience, still labeled "cis people", looks angry at the character.

if you're cis and seeing this: keep your concern trolling to yourself.

A 4 panel comic. In the first panel, a character stands on a cliff, addressing an audience, and says "trans kids should not get puberty blockers". In the second panel, the audience, armed and labeled "cis people", looks content. In the third panel, the character on the cliff says "they should get hrt so they can go through the right puberty at the same time as their cis peers". In the fourth panel, the audience, still labeled "cis people", looks angry at the character.
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[–] -1 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

I understand that it is mentally traumatic for kids to grow of undesired sex, but i dont understand what is the big deal with puberty if it is reversible. What physical changes do you mean which are not reversible with hrt for adults?

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  • [–] 15 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

    testosterone puberty permanently fucked up the shape of my face, shoulders, hips and waist, lowered my voice, grew a bunch of gross hair everywhere (which is slow, painful and expensive to remove), and made me lose a whole bunch of hair from my head, to name some of the most obvious things. none of those effects are reversible from taking estrogen.

    and that's not to mention the mental damage resulting from basically being an emotionally dead zombie for a decade until i started HRT.

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  • [–] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Okay, i now understand. The problem with puberty is not that it is irreversible, but that it is difficult and expensive to deal with reversing those changes. It is important for trans kids to get required treatment, to not deal with those problems as adults, trans adults must do.

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  • [–] 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

    many aspects are irreversible, basically anything that happens to your skeleton cannot be undone. there is no surgery to remove my pelvic tilt or make my hands bigger, i just get to live with them for the rest of my life (this is as a result of estrogenic puberty)

    edit: was busy earlier but thought it would be beneficial to elaborate on this

    for all trans people, skeletal changes during natal puberty will often be irreversible; this includes general lengthening and thickening of bones for a natal-testosterone puberty, and a lack of lengthening and thickening of bones for a natal-estrogen puberty (late testosterone 2nd puberty can thicken bones, but not lengthen them, due to the fusion of the bone plates that make growth possible). this means that e.g. on average, trans girls will be taller than they would otherwise be, and trans boys will be shorter. idk if you're aware, but height changing surgery is massively expensive and risky, so practically speaking, changing it is impossible

    there's nothing for hand size for either direction of puberty either. again, on average, trans girls will get bigger hands than they'd otherwise have, and trans boys will get smaller hands. as far as i'm aware, there are no surgeries for hands, which is probably good because they're pretty densely complicated pieces of biological machines

    i believe trans girls can develop the pelvic tilt after estrogen (?), but no widening of the pelvis itself will occur. similarly, there's no way for trans boys to reverse their pelvic tilt nor narrow their pelvis

    also, trans boys can get facial masculinization surgery, but there are limits to what it can do (e.g. brow ridge)

    none of this touches on how "technically reversible with surgery or hormones" is an awful bar to hold for allowing a trans kid to go through natal puberty, but i'm hopeful that you're in agreement with that and it doesn't need to be spelled out

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  • [–] 10 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    Did you miss the part where I said the changes cannot be undone? As in they are irreversible? You cannot go back in time regardless of what hormones you are on.

    "...transformation of the brain, bones, muscle, blood, skin, hair, breasts, and sex organs...Puberty leads to sexual dimorphism through the development of the secondary sex characteristics, which further distinguish the sexes."

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  • [–] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    I did not miss that part, but i incorrectly worded my question. What puberty changes are irreversible, with neither hrt, medication or excercises? From my understanding, almost every part of puberty can be reversed, so that i ask you to explain which changes are actually irreversible.

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  • [–] 8 points 23 hours ago

    Nearly all of the changes are irreversible. HRT will change your body, but will not give you the body you would have had of you went through puberty with the proper hormones. Your skeletal structure, hair growth, breast development, vocal changes, genital development, and more cannot be undone.

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