Okay, so the CEO of Proton didn’t pass your purity test, I get it. But you know which CEOs also suck? The CEO of Google and the CEO of Microsoft. How can we expect secure and private alternatives to these ecosystems to flourish if we are constantly engaged in infighting? We will get nowhere if we reject every service that is short of perfect. Let’s keep our eyes on the bigger picture here.

Another hot take: I suspect that at least some of the hate directed at Proton is a smear campaign by some state actor who wants to see private online platforms fail.

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Did you read the 404 media article? Like more than the headline?

There is a slew of valid complaints against Andy Yen and assuming this must be a state actor means not holding them accountable, here's just a few points:

  • Andy wants proton to fully embrace ai and said there would be re-interviews based on the employees use of AI. The implicit threat here was firing employees who don't embrace AI. This may have been walked back but it still says a lot
  • Andy said this may be the last year they hire engineers. He wants to use AI and just have people supervise the AI.
  • he thinks releasing untested code into prod is ok and that it's "loser thinking" to suggest taking a few days to test.

There's a lot more in the article but just from those points you have a shitty employer showing they don't value human talent and don't care about shipping potentially unsafe code which is especially problematic when they want to get rid of the people who could understand the code.

You're basically saying that that things should get a pass even if they aren't perfect. But that ignores the context of a privacy and security product that is showing unsafe practices. Other CEOs "sucking" is irrelevant. Those other CEO's aren't doing something antithesis to their stated goals. To me i could accept AI use in proton, however, it still needs to have engineers who can understand and review the code, and it still needs to be tested. That's not what Andy yen wants to do though, and that's the problem. It's not just about AI.

But bravo for the unpopular opinion.

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