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[–] -1 points 1 hour ago* (4 children)

I squirm nothing. The discussion about exceptions to omnipotence predates Christianity by several centuries. You can’t use a term without studying how people use it: words don’t have meanings on their own; their meanings are given to them by their users. And when a word has meant “maximal power” (and not “absolute power”) for at least 2500 years, you can’t reject that definition as illegitimate simply because of its etymology. That would be like refusing to call a smartphone a smartphone because it isn’t “smart” in the strict sense.

And the word itself doesn’t appear in the Bible at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (3 children)

    You see, I'm not refusing the definition you're giving. I say that using it, rather than the definition of the term people usually assume hearing it is misleading at best. In other words, what you're doing can be considered a demagogy.

    Whether the term appears in the bible is immaterial to this discussion, because what the bible does, is it attempts at describing an omnipotent being, as said being creates the world, and then does some stuff that breaks the laws of physics and logic.

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  • [–] 0 points 54 minutes ago (2 children)

    people usually assume

    Words are polysemous. In all fields, most words have different technical and general meanings. When discussing statistics for example, it's normal to use “significant” with a different sense than when you're speaking about something else. I can say that a totally unimportant statistical result is significant. It wouldn't be demagogic, would it be? In philosophy and theology, omnipotence always had a different meaning than in the general population. But again, the chosen word is absolutely not important. God can be omnipotent of the word is technically defined, and not omnipotent when it's not. I don't understand why you think it's important, as I have already said more than once that I have no problem saying that God is not omnipotent if the word is broadly defined, for the Bible never describe God as capable to break the laws of logics.

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  • [–] 1 point 26 minutes ago (1 child)

    Words are polysemous.

    Cool, and? It's the first time i'm hearing someone use the term "omnipotent" not in its most literal sense. I bet i'm not the only one.

    it's normal to use “significant” with a different sense than when you're speaking about something else.

    Because "significant" is an abstract term, not a concrete one. "Omnipotent" is a concrete term though, and a pretty straightforward one at that. The only time you'd unironically use it not in its most literal sense would be to mislead people.

    Yes, lots of words have multiple meanings. "Omnipotent" is hardly one of them, and even then, as you've already noted yourself, the bible doesn't use it directly. People derive this characteristic of Christian God from his actions, and when they talk about god's omnipotence, they use the word in its literal sense. People here also were using the literal meaning of the word.

    Idk about you, but where I'm from, there's a saying: "terms aren't argued over, they're agreed upon". People here colloquially used the term "omnipotent" as a substitute for "all powerful", until you chimed in with your "uhm acshually ☝️🤓" remark, offering an arbitrary and dubious definition, basically solving a non-existent problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 17 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

    _It's the first time i'm hearing someone use the term "omnipotent" not in its most literal sens

    You don't discuss with philosophers often then. It's not an arbitrary definition, but one often used by philosophers. Isn't normal, while discussing philosophy, to use the technical words of philosophy?

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